Ezy Push , Raise/snapcall or Raise/fold?

[martenJ]

20$R on Mansion
29 left, 27 get paid
i have been pretty active and have an agressive image opening and 3 betting a lot of pots.

blinds are 1200/2400 ante 120
average is 28k if that should be relevant
table is 7 handed

folded to me on the button i have ATo
stacks:
Me: 31k
SB: 28k
BB: 35k

no real reads on SB and BB, but both seem rather tightish
Normally i hate opening on the button in these spots as you are just inviting them to resteal on you.
But here i have a decent hand and i think i have to open the pot.
i think i have 3 options here:
a) open push ( a big raise considering the small ante)
b) raise to 6k ( my standard raise) and snapcalling a push
c) raise to 6k and folding to a push

which one is best?

[shadypac]

I vote c but maybe im too tight i dunno. Im not really looking to gamble here and unless these guys have been restealing alot then im not afraid to lay it down. I dont think tihgt players as youve labled them are usually going to do this on the bubble without a decent hand to back them up. One which is either a flip or dominating you.


BTW my 2nd choice would be push, i can think of plenty of good arguments for that too. I think think a standard raise accomplishes the same thing usually especially if you have a loose image and they dont think they have much FE.

[Yoshi63]

This is very read dependent. Also, it makes a big difference whether the SB or BB reshoves on you. I think making your standard raise is fine. Probably folding to shoves against many opponents.

[Tackleberry]

This question is not only read-dependent, but also dependent on the payout structure. In a satellite I would fold. In a tourney with a flat, slow increasing payout structure (where it already is a big win to get ITM) I would make it 5k to go (which is more scary than your normal raise and will be as hardly or as easily called/restolen as 6k). If you aim at a top-level-payout I would immediately push. Remember that you´re not in a comfortable position any more (having an M < 10) and the pot already makes 10% of your stack.

[black666]

Shoving +10BBs is generally bad.

In such an awkward spot I tend to do something out of the ordinary to confuse villains even more. For example minraise (as this is interpreted as AA/KK/QQ/AK most of the time) or raise bigger than 3x (for example 11.111) to show them that they are not screwing around here.

[Tackleberry]

Yes - my first intention was to make it 10k to go as well, but what would you do against a shove then?

[black666]

Call...as I'm pot committed (at least the SB .. haven't done the math for BB). The whole idea was to not give villain a chance to shove junk for a re-steal. I want to put the tough decisions on my opponents. A bigger raise tells them that we are not going away and we are pretty confident about our hand.

An open-push my be interpreted as a steal and you might get a call from AT or smaller pairs to keep you honest. But the same hands may fold to a bigger raise...

[Tackleberry]

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An open-push my be interpreted as a steal and you might get a call from AT or smaller pairs to keep you honest. But the same hands may fold to a bigger raise...

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Yeah - you´re perfectly right! I´m doing this besides work here and did not think enough about that important point.

[martenJ]

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Shoving +10BBs is generally bad.


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um, no. with a bigger ante (1/10 BB) i think shoving for up to 15BB is more or less standard esp. over limpers.

[Rocco]

Raise and call a push! Even tight people realize Button raises can be any hand and therefore push a wide range here. I'm not folding in this situation after investing 20% of my stack. This is not an attempt to steal the blinds, it's a value raise with a nice hand.