Why is raising UTG with suited connectors so standard at 6-max?

[Morrek]

I don't like KJo UTG either. ATo I usually raise but it's fairly marginal, I might fold it if I've raised alot previously.

[ActionDJ]

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Seriously don't raise UTG with 78s! You should be raising hands like ATo and KJo from there...

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I fold ATo and KJo UTG in 6max...Raise with TT or better. Of course my VP is 15.8

[Triumph36]

It's not standard. I think raising small pairs is marginal too depending on table conditions but the 2+2 dogma disagrees.

Suited connectors are the most overrated hand on the forum. It's like some people have been listening to Vince Van Patten - or they take the concept of Shania way way too seriously.

[luckychewy]

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It's not standard. I think raising small pairs is marginal too depending on table conditions but the 2+2 dogma disagrees.

Suited connectors are the most overrated hand on the forum. It's like some people have been listening to Vince Van Patten - or they take the concept of Shania way way too seriously.

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Huh?

[Morrek]

The example you posted is 5handed, where it's a little bit different than 6handed. 4handed (so you're basically "CO" when you're UTG, or however you say it) I raise this alot. Same with CO/button at 5 or 6handed tables. Raising SCs UTG in a 6handed game however is most likely not +ev so I do it only to mixup my play

[Karak567]

My PFR is 20 %.

That includes raising 87s under the gun.

I make lots of $$.

Maybe the act of raising 87s under teh gun isn't profitable (but maybe it is!), however, the act of making my table image really loose, when the truth is i am just a loose raiser preflop, which tricks my opponents into overplaying their hands against me which ships me mad $$, that's profitable.

[cts]

My PFR is 16-17 and I fold suited connectors on UTG, UTG+1 about 80% of the time. Of course you have to raise with them occasionally so it's clear you aren't just raising with pairs, AJ+, etc., but with these hands, you are looking to flop a good draw and playing them out of position sucks. You are paying the maximum to draw to your (now somewhat transparent) straight or flush, and it will be difficult to extract money if you hit. Raising small pairs from UTG is completely different. They are very easy to play postflop and if you just flop a pair of twos with your 22 and someone calls your c-bet, your'e usually done.

[TheWorstPlayer]

i dont mind raising ATC from any position in a deep stacked game. But most online games are not deep stacked and therefore it is impossible to recoup postflop what you give up preflop by playing inferior cards OOP.

[Tao_Jones]

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My PFR is 16-17 and I fold suited connectors on UTG, UTG+1 about 80% of the time. Of course you have to raise with them occasionally so it's clear you aren't just raising with pairs, AJ+, etc., but with these hands, you are looking to flop a good draw and playing them out of position sucks. You are paying the maximum to draw to your (now somewhat transparent) straight or flush, and it will be difficult to extract money if you hit. Raising small pairs from UTG is completely different. They are very easy to play postflop and if you just flop a pair of twos with your 22 and someone calls your c-bet, your'e usually done.

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Suited connectors play almost exactly like small pp's OOP and are just as easy to chuck when met with resistance. I think the problem most have with playing these types of hands OOP is they take the same bull [censored] lines post-flop with almost all of their hands, regardless of board texture, opponent, or the value of their own hands...

They raise PF, touch the flop, and its fire-fire-fire. If they would start switching things up, taking different lines with different hands and different opponents, these small little beasts would eventualy come to play themselves.

[Morrek]

The thing is, suited connectors often flop some kind of draw/marginal hand and so you can sometimes really use that free card position often gives you. Pocket pairs either hit or they don't, and so they are very easy to play OOP