Professional No-Limit Hold 'em study group

[monkover]

can one of the mods maybe sticky this thread?

[Matt Flynn]

New book review thread up at Books/Publications:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...=0#Post11329671

[Marlow]

Study group is an excellent idea.

I never play lower than .5-1, and this is the first time I've ever been in this forum. I strongly recommend giving folks in the SSNL and the MSNL forum a heads-up. Just blind luck that I saw this.

Also, why not have a separate forum just for the book? This would make so much more sense than confining it to one giganto thread.

[Jzo19]

bump (now that ppl are getting the book)

alright quick question i have 76s co in a 6 handed game folded to me , btton and blinds are tight and generally ill probably get one caller (with a standard 3 or 4bb raise if we're HU) then my SPR would be something like 10 or 11 which is generally good for draws espcially since im trying to steal

but lets say im the CO and the button/blinds are loose should i still raise or should i avoid raising to keep my SPR at a fav number ...

[danny8]

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bump (now that ppl are getting the book)

alright quick question i have 76s co in a 6 handed game folded to me , btton and blinds are tight and generally ill probably get one caller (with a standard 3 or 4bb raise if we're HU) then my SPR would be something like 10 or 11 which is generally good for draws espcially since im trying to steal

but lets say im the CO and the button/blinds are loose should i still raise or should i avoid raising to keep my SPR at a fav number ...

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assuming you have 100bb stacks... you can minraise to 2bb, you'll have an SPR of ~12 for 2 callers, or ~16 if they all call. that seems to work out pretty well.

[Check_The_Nuts]

if the button+both blinds were loose and quite bad, say 40-50% VPIP range and heavily defended their blinds. Then its probably safe to assume they are also passive preflop. I would think limping CO there would be optimal simply because all your doing is inflating the pot with a drawing hand. Esp. if they don't notice you limp your weak hands and raise ur strong ones.

I think holding QQ in that spot where button+both blinds are highly likely to call is very interesting. It seems like matt would argue that limping is optimal here (assuming all 3 ppl will call >80% of the time).

[Matt Flynn]

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if the button+both blinds were loose and quite bad, say 40-50% VPIP range and heavily defended their blinds. Then its probably safe to assume they are also passive preflop. I would think limping CO there would be optimal simply because all your doing is inflating the pot with a drawing hand. Esp. if they don't notice you limp your weak hands and raise ur strong ones.

I think holding QQ in that spot where button+both blinds are highly likely to call is very interesting. It seems like matt would argue that limping is optimal here (assuming all 3 ppl will call >80% of the time).

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i'd argue for folding unless they are serious calling stations, since raising is not expected to narrow the field enough of the time.

[Matt Flynn]

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bump (now that ppl are getting the book)

alright quick question i have 76s co in a 6 handed game folded to me , btton and blinds are tight and generally ill probably get one caller (with a standard 3 or 4bb raise if we're HU) then my SPR would be something like 10 or 11 which is generally good for draws espcially since im trying to steal

but lets say im the CO and the button/blinds are loose should i still raise or should i avoid raising to keep my SPR at a fav number ...

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figure out how you expect to make a profit from the hand. if you can expect one caller, then you better be able to win most of the games of chicken when everyone misses.

if you can expect to take down the blinds often, then raise.

if you're working solely to stack someone, you don't have sufficient implied odds.

[Grunch]

Matt, Sunny & Ed -

I've just finished reading the book and I loved it. It was a great kick-start after taking 2 months off from poker. In my estimation your book was as substantial a contribution to the NL community as SSNL was to the limit community, and that's saying quite a lot. I'd recommend your book to anyone learning NL.

I like the idea of a study group, and I'd like to contribute & participate. I'm afraid that the study group would be severely hamstrung -- even actively sabotaged -- in many forums here b/c much of your advice differs from 2p2 standards. This is usually met with violence. Case in point, just look at all the criticism you are receiving from people who haven't even read the book. They read an excerpt somewhere, drew some conclusions, and the haterade started flowing.

I agree with you however that the uNL forum would make a better home, as it is less gratuitously combative. If the study group happens in uNL, I'll try to participate.

Grats on the book.

[EMc]

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Matt, Sunny & Ed -

I've just finished reading the book and I loved it. It was a great kick-start after taking 2 months off from poker. In my estimation your book was as substantial a contribution to the NL community as SSNL was to the limit community, and that's saying quite a lot. I'd recommend your book to anyone learning NL.

I like the idea of a study group, and I'd like to contribute & participate. I'm afraid that the study group would be severely hamstrung -- even actively sabotaged -- in many forums here b/c much of your advice differs from 2p2 standards. This is usually met with violence. Case in point, just look at all the criticism you are receiving from people who haven't even read the book. They read an excerpt somewhere, drew some conclusions, and the haterade started flowing.

I agree with you however that the uNL forum would make a better home, as it is less gratuitously combative. If the study group happens in uNL, I'll try to participate.

Grats on the book.

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Hes alive!

I also agree, and I will say that whilst vigorous debate will be encouraged, I am stating now that I will both monitor and participate in the study group and will hand otut bans for flaming.