NL10 - QQ from BB

Triggerle · #1 09-25-2006, 06:14 AM

MP1 raised 0.30 every hand so I considered my pre-flop re-raise more as an open raise.

Should I have bet more on the flop with second pair? On the turn I have no idea how to proceed.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.10 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($9)
SB ($11.75)
BB ($8.15)
UTG ($6.70)
UTG+1 ($9.75)
MP1 ($17.35)
MP2 ($8.70)
CO ($9.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP1 raises to $0.3, MP2 calls $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.85, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.55, MP2 calls $0.55.

Flop: ($2.70) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $1.25, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $1.25.

Turn: ($5.20) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets $1.5, Hero ??

teemuj · #2 09-25-2006, 06:37 AM

Reraise to like $1 - 1.20 pf. If you bet the flop, make it at least $2. To me it looks like he has a king (big or small, depending on player).

Tiki · #3 09-25-2006, 07:02 AM

I'd say raise even more pf, bet $2 or so. You are OOP and wouln't mind taking the pot straight down. Your small raise does not sufficiently reduce your opponents pot odds and allows them to call without them making too much of a mistake(if any).

Triggerle · #4 09-25-2006, 07:42 AM

My raise was pot-sized. Is there a general guideline as to in what situations it is appropriate to bet more than pot-size?

avfletch · #5 09-25-2006, 07:56 AM

OK. There are two issues that need addressing here.

1. Reraising preflop

When you do it make the reraise *BIG*. Even the biggest donkey will put you on a big pair and play accordingly so make sure his stupid "implied odds" call with a small pp doesn't work out. My standard is 4 x the bet plus one lot for each caller and sometimes another one if I'm doing it out of the blinds. So in this case $1.50 looks good to me.

2. Pot size bets when you are raising

There is a big difference between a pot size bet and a pot size raise. The PSB is easy to figure out by looking at the contents of the pot and betting that much. When you are making a PSR then you should be raising the amount of money in the pot *AFTER* you call.

Let's take this hand as an example -

There is 15c worth of blinds, 30c worth of bet and 30c worth of call for a pot total of 75c. To call you'd be putting another 20c into this pot making the pot up to 95c so you should have $1.25 in front of you after the bet.

(your blind) 10c + (the call) 20c + (the raise) 95c = $1.25

Heine · #6 09-25-2006, 08:01 AM

PF is good. PSR here is good. this might be one where you bump it to $1 straight.

call that flop, see what he does on the turn, if he leads into you again small like that call. He could be betting a flush draw a king, or JJ-1010.

You want to get to showdown cheapely

Heine · #7 09-25-2006, 08:05 AM

so if he bets big on the turn, c/f

Absolution · #8 09-25-2006, 08:05 AM

I think you should raise more preflop with the cold caller in there. Make it at least $1, but I'd probably go $1.20. I'd like to offer them 2-1 instead of 3-1.

Flop is okay I guess as long as you've been making those bets. Cold calling 2x looks a lot like a small pp or suited connector, but could also be Kx with x up to Q even.

I wonder what he would call again with on the flop and then bet out on the turn in that range? It looks like he's trying to control the pot size here, but maybe I'm giving him too much credit at this level. I guess he could have picked up a draw here. The fact that he cold called so much makes me think that there isn't much reason to his methods and I'd like to raise now. I'd probably make it in the $4-5 range and I don't think there is much value in a river bet if he checks.

Triggerle · #9 09-25-2006, 08:08 AM

[ QUOTE ]
call that flop, see what he does on the turn, if he leads into you again small like that call.

[/ QUOTE ] He didn't bet the flop. He checked to me and I bet. Then he donks the turn.