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Old 11-10-2007, 04:44 PM
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Default Re: Very strange 4-bet spot w/ 99 vs D_liciousUTB

im cf this hand on every street unless i hit the nuts
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Old 11-10-2007, 05:02 PM
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Default Re: Very strange 4-bet spot w/ 99 vs D_liciousUTB

Someone double check the math for me.
Villain folds:+358


Assuming you have 2 outs to win once he calls

1-[(47-2)/47 x (46-2)/46]=8.4% to win if he calls

Villain calls:EV=[(8.4%)x(814)]+[(91.6%)x(-814)]
EV= 68.37+ -745.62
EV= -677.25

Fold equity to make it neutral EV where fold equity =x
0=x(358)+(-677.25)(1-x)

0=358x-677.25+677.25x
0=1035x-677.25
677.25=1035x
x=65%
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Old 11-10-2007, 05:08 PM
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Default Re: Very strange 4-bet spot w/ 99 vs D_liciousUTB

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Someone double check the math for me.
Villain folds:+358


Assuming you have 2 outs to win once he calls

1-[(47-2)/47 x (46-2)/46]=8.4% to win if he calls

Villain calls:EV=[(8.4%)x(814)]+[(91.6%)x(-814)]
EV= 68.37+ -745.62
EV= -677.25

Fold equity to make it neutral EV where fold equity =x
0=x(358)+(-677.25)(1-x)

0=358x-677.25+677.25x
0=1035x-677.25
677.25=1035x
x=65%

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looks good conceptually and i assume you can work a calculator...
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Old 11-10-2007, 06:05 PM
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Default Re: Very strange 4-bet spot w/ 99 vs D_liciousUTB

i agree its reallll fishy to just call pre. maybe he's floating the 4bet to bet the turn if the flop checks through...i've done that once and seen it from a couple other tag/lag villain's, though it's def FPS.

anyway, i doubt he even folds JJ to a push here. so I either c/f all the way, or maybe check flop and call on a turn card under T.
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Old 11-10-2007, 06:21 PM
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Default Re: Very strange 4-bet spot w/ 99 vs D_liciousUTB

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fwiw i have this guy a lot nittier than 24/19, over 2k hands

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what have you got him at?

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18/14
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Old 11-10-2007, 06:23 PM
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Default Re: Very strange 4-bet spot w/ 99 vs D_liciousUTB

check flop check turn shove river
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Old 11-10-2007, 07:22 PM
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Default Re: Very strange 4-bet spot w/ 99 vs D_liciousUTB

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Hes not folding.

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seriously he's definitely not folding. just check and check again on the turn. if he shoves, obv fold. fwiw i don't really like the 4bet but it's okay once in a while... obviously much better i think if you know he'll never do something like flat and leave us in a spot like this
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Old 11-10-2007, 07:24 PM
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Default Re: Very strange 4-bet spot w/ 99 vs D_liciousUTB

shove pre, as played check behind and hope to spike a 9.
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Old 11-10-2007, 08:04 PM
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Default Re: Very strange 4-bet spot w/ 99 vs D_liciousUTB

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shove pre, as played check behind and hope to spike a 9.

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shove pre depends on your overall strategy and I don't play an all-in 4bet strat.

anyways results were I shoved and didn't really like it. I got a fold but in retrospect I think just try to check this down and hit a 2 outer
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Old 11-10-2007, 08:06 PM
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Default Re: Very strange 4-bet spot w/ 99 vs D_liciousUTB

TILT and I've been playing real bad this week. My hand is embarassing. genneo, your hand was good.

Fionn, you're stats are old. You constantly berating me and calling me a nit, inspired me to improve.
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