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NL 50, JJ on river... am i being robed or should i just throw it away?
no reads whatsoever on the villain. I'm just not sure what's going on here... worth calling or shall i just chuck it and hope for a better spot?
Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BB: $45.70 UTG: $54.85 UTG+1: $39.25 UTG+2: $24.90 MP1: $29.50 MP2: $10 CO: $43.35 Hero (BTN): $51.20 SB: $88.25 Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) 3 folds, <font color="red">MP1 raises to $2</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $2, 2 folds Flop: ($4.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) MP1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, MP1 calls $3 Turn: ($10.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) MP1 checks, Hero checks River: ($10.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">MP1 bets $10</font>, Hero????</font> |
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Re: NL 50, JJ on river... am i being robed or should i just throw it away?
Taking rake into account, you need to be good ~35% of the time to make that call.
I can not think of many hands that you beat while he thinks they are legit hands to bet with (AT or so?). Sometimes this is AK but I donīt think he is bluffing often enough. Strange line anyway. |
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Re: NL 50, JJ on river... am i being robed or should i just throw it a
I would play this hand totally different. I would 3bet the flop and fold to 4bet. If villain call then just bet/fold the flop.
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Re: NL 50, JJ on river... am i being robed or should i just throw it a
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I would play this hand totally different. I would 3bet the flop and fold to 4bet. If villain call then just bet/fold the flop. [/ QUOTE ]If you mean 3 bet preflop which I think you did then why are you 3 bet/folding? I would much rather do this with a random hand than JJ. Then you're going to turn JJ into a bluff on the flop by bet/folding, again any 2 cards can do that. Turning JJ into a bluff is very poor. With no read I'm just going to call preflop. As played I'm betting flop as you did. I'm bet/folding the turn and probably checking the river against an unknown. As played I call. |
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Re: NL 50, JJ on river... am i being robed or should i just throw it a
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[ QUOTE ] I would play this hand totally different. I would 3bet the flop and fold to 4bet. If villain call then just bet/fold the flop. [/ QUOTE ]If you mean 3 bet preflop which I think you did then why are you 3 bet/folding? I would much rather do this with a random hand than JJ. Then you're going to turn JJ into a bluff on the flop by bet/folding, again any 2 cards can do that. Turning JJ into a bluff is very poor. [/ QUOTE ] Grr.... I think you are right and I think its a leak of mine - I hate to play pair of jacks in position vs one villain for set value. |
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Re: NL 50, JJ on river... am i being robed or should i just throw it away?
Looks like he missed a turn c/r and is trying to make up for lost value.
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Re: NL 50, JJ on river... am i being robed or should i just throw it a
3 bet preflop
call river |
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Re: NL 50, JJ on river... am i being robed or should i just throw it a
I would 3bet this preflop.
as played it is pretty strange but with an overpair I think you are good here enough of the time to call. it is certainly a marginal call though. this is a spot where reads would help a lot, since neither hand is well defined. |
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Re: NL 50, JJ on river... am i being robed or should i just throw it a
im 50/50 with 3betting JJ PF. I don't think its a hand that needs to be 3bet every time, its perfectly reasonable to call IP and see what happens.
Its the check/call on the flop that confused me. Its hard to think of hands i beat by the river, but the way he played the flop made me consider the possibility he was chasing with AK/AQ, or had flopped 5s full |
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Re: NL 50, JJ on river... am i being robed or should i just throw it away?
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Looks like he missed a turn c/r and is trying to make up for lost value. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with this, there are very few hands I put a readless player on here, that I beat. I would need a read to call here. |
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