Bellagio 10/20 Hand Against TV Dude (No, not wrong forum)

[Nielsio]

Ok, I think 30 people have now said the same thing 30 times. Time for the showdown, OP.

[Sunny Mehta]

I'm surprised that so many people took issue with the limp-reraise. Though, maybe I shouldn't be surprised since so many of my students want to talk about/take issue with/don't understand 3-betting in general.

A pf rr is a tactic that can be used to achieve one of many purposes. That's it. It can be very effective when used correctly, and that simply requires understanding its implications. I find it odd when players "never do" something. It's usually either because they don't understand it, or they don't adjust well to it themselves. (I put min-raising in that category, incidentally.)

Those who are vehemently against limp-reraising are opposing a line that gets more money into the pot preflop. But ahh, they cling to the old "cost of giving away your hand" mantra. I have two things to say to that:

1) LOL at people in this game only lrr-ing with AA.
2) EVEN IF one reraises with a very narrow range, at what point does the information matter? (mathematically)

The game is about adjusting, folks. Here you have a player who is playing almost every hand, and raising almost every hand. Why would you NOT adjust to that by doing some different things preflop? You just have to understand its effect on the game/table.

Let me give you an example. In one hand, I was on the button and the tournadonk was in the BB. A bunch of people limped to me, and I limped with AcQc. SB completed, and sure enough, BB raised to $100. All limpers called and I pushed all-in. SB and BB each thought for a long time before folding. SB had TT and BB had QJ. Not bad to take advantage of a great situation and a good image to win a big preflop pot uncontested while getting a better hand to fold and almost getting a severely dominated hand to call, huh?

It's all about adjusting.

I have more to say but I'll put it in a separate post....

[Unknown Soldier]

wouldnt this agro player 3b light too? then you can get even more money in

[Unknown Soldier]

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1) LOL at people in this game only lrr-ing with AA.

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against this guy it would be retarded not to lrr with anything but big hands. He probably knows that

[pdoran10]

in before negative comments about limp RR

(including my own)

[Kermit]

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Hey Coltrane,

I would consider laying down AA at some point during this pot, but in this spot against an aggressive player your hand is faceup. You got > 10% in pre and he's the kind of player who will do his best to rep trips, here's a spot where I get all my chips in and chalk up the pot to variance if I lose.

The question here is to play your hand as AK or Aces up. I'd bet flop ~ $175 and check-raise AI on the turn, I get the feeling he's going to bet to when checked to, too much.

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i might check it to him twice, given your description of him.

kermit

[ikestoys]

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Ppl who hate preflop never played full ring.

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I hate it, I've played full ring. You are playing your cards faceup when you do this

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It's completely standard to do at least some of the time and more +EV than always open raising (provided you balance it okish).

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH A STATEMENT! Please support because I see no difference between opening with a wide range of hands and being a weak player that occasionally limps aces

[Kermit]

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Ppl who hate preflop never played full ring.

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I hate it, I've played full ring. You are playing your cards faceup when you do this

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It's completely standard to do at least some of the time and more +EV than always open raising (provided you balance it okish).

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH A STATEMENT! Please support because I see no difference between opening with a wide range of hands and being a weak player that occasionally limps aces

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gahhh.

the limp reriase should NOT reduce your range to premiums. particularly if you limp from EP, which is standard for FR.

i will limp reraise with a fairly wide range when there are LP players that LOVE to punish limpers. i picked this up watching the old high stakes UB games. in fact, i think El D talked about his play in a post of his a while back.

kermit

[ikestoys]

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Ppl who hate preflop never played full ring.

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I hate it, I've played full ring. You are playing your cards faceup when you do this

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It's completely standard to do at least some of the time and more +EV than always open raising (provided you balance it okish).

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH A STATEMENT! Please support because I see no difference between opening with a wide range of hands and being a weak player that occasionally limps aces

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gahhh.

the limp reriase should NOT reduce your range to premiums. particularly if you limp from EP, which is standard for FR.

i will limp reraise with a fairly wide range when there are LP players that LOVE to punish limpers. i picked this up watching the old high stakes UB games. in fact, i think El D talked about his play in a post of his a while back.

kermit

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so now you are bloating pots OOP with marginal hands?
W
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[Kermit]

ike,

its not standard. it obviously is a variation play that requires a certain set of circumstances.

of course, the profitablilty of the play come from taking down a large pot preflop/flop with rags when everyone puts you on AA.