QQ--raggy flop, minraised and oop

[wandigo]

Early in FTOPS #6.. This is the 2nd or 3rd time I've raised villians bb, he's folded all other times.

I had a strong feeling that if I bet a little less than the pot on the flop, he might see it as a weak c-bet and try to get cute and put me in a weird spot oop.

With that being said, should I flat call and c/r turn or 3bet (if so, how much?) and take it down at the flop?



Full Tilt Poker Game #2441848732: FTOPS Event #6 (17563285), Table 88 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:52:07 ET - 2007/05/16
Seat 1: berntis43 (2,075), is sitting out
Seat 2: BKqzbxt (3,935)
Seat 3: ticals (4,125)
Seat 4: CHOOK2120 (5,920)
Seat 5: GUNNER367 (3,715)
Seat 6: ORIONF (2,795)
BKqzbxt posts the small blind of 30
ticals posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BKqzbxt [Qs Qd]
CHOOK2120 folds
GUNNER367 folds
ORIONF folds
berntis43 folds
BKqzbxt raises to 180
ticals calls 120
*** FLOP *** [Ts 8s 5d]
BKqzbxt bets 240
ticals raises to 480
BKqzbxt ?????

Thanks again. New poster here but been lurking a while and really admire the advice you guys give.

[chrismystero]

use a Hand Converter: http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

[wandigo]

I put it into that 2 or 3 times before I posted and it kept coming out like this:

Full Tilt (0 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: is with , .
, CHOOK2120 folds, GUNNER367 folds, ORIONF folds, berntis43 folds, ticals calls.

Final Pot:

[chrismystero]

be sure to copy the ENTIRE hand, put it in "2+2 Format", Select Output for the ENTIRE hand, and backspace to where you like once pasted into your 2+2 post.

[BKiCe]

you know you can't convert tournament hands from full tilt on FTR, right?

how about posting something useful instead?

[nath]

Raise and be happy to get all in, you have an overpair in a blind vs blind spot and your villain will stack off with much worse

FTP hand converter: http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/

[registrar]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $30/$60
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $5920
UTG+1: $3715
CO: $2795
Button: $2075
Hero: $3935
BB: $4125

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $180</font>, BB calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($360, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $240</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $480</font>. Hero?

[registrar]

I almost always shove here, and far too quickly. I think I lose value doing this - how much should we raise?

[tinty]

up to $1500ish then get it in on any turn (or before) looks good to me, i think i lose value here too. does he ever shut down on turn if he calls raise though or is it fold or shove on the flop for him? does maybe a push look weaker?

[wandigo]

I ended up raising to about $1800 at the flop and he folded, saying he had T4. Whether he was telling the truth or not, I just felt that I missed value on this hand and often do in this spot but I wasn't sure that he would bet again at the turn if I checked. If I were to just call the flop, do you find that insta-checking (or betting) the turn would help give away any false tells? If so, what size bet would be good for the turn?

Love this place already, thanks for the input