2 1-2 hands vs bluffman

[Dave Mac]

I think bluff prolly thinks i am kinda sucky and a huge showdown monkey. this is because i defantly was in the past when we have played together and while i am getting better about both factors they still hold true to some extent.

PokerStars Game #10894066283: Hold'em Limit ($100/$200) - 2007/07/11 - 23:26:00 (ET)
Table 'Katharina IV' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Bluffman86 ($9007.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Donald ($3400 in chips)
Seat 3: dcm-diplomat ($9018 in chips)
Seat 5: parliament ($5999.50 in chips)
Seat 6: YouGotIt ($8528 in chips)
YouGotIt: posts small blind $50
Bluffman86: posts big blind $100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dcm-diplomat [As 9h]
Donald: folds
dcm-diplomat: raises $100 to $200
parliament: folds
YouGotIt: folds
Bluffman86: calls $100
*** FLOP *** [4d 8s 2s]
Bluffman86: checks
dcm-diplomat: bets $100
Bluffman86: calls $100
*** TURN *** [4d 8s 2s] [6c]
Bluffman86: checks
dcm-diplomat: checks
*** RIVER *** [4d 8s 2s 6c] [5d]
Bluffman86: bets $200
dcm-diplomat: calls $200


PokerStars Game #10894082133: Hold'em Limit ($100/$200) - 2007/07/11 - 23:27:06 (ET)
Table 'Katharina IV' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Bluffman86 ($9505.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Donald ($4948 in chips)
Seat 3: dcm-diplomat ($8518 in chips)
Seat 5: parliament ($4499.50 in chips)
Seat 6: YouGotIt ($8478 in chips)
Donald: posts small blind $50
dcm-diplomat: posts big blind $100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dcm-diplomat [Jh 7d]
parliament: folds
YouGotIt: folds
Bluffman86: raises $100 to $200
Donald: folds
dcm-diplomat: calls $100
*** FLOP *** [Jd 6d Qh]
dcm-diplomat: checks
Bluffman86: bets $100
dcm-diplomat: raises $100 to $200
Bluffman86: calls $100
*** TURN *** [Jd 6d Qh] [3h]
dcm-diplomat: bets $200
Bluffman86: raises $200 to $400
dcm-diplomat: calls $200
*** RIVER *** [Jd 6d Qh 3h] [As]
dcm-diplomat: checks
Bluffman86: bets $200
dcm-diplomat: folds
Bluffman86 collected $1648 from pot
Bluffman86: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1650 | Rake $2
Board [Jd 6d Qh 3h As]
Seat 1: Bluffman86 (button) collected ($1648)
Seat 2: Donald (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: dcm-diplomat (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 5: parliament folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: YouGotIt folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[danzasmack]

I fold the 1st and call the 2nd

but honestly, what is your range when you check that turn? Do you check behind and call rivers a lot? vs. me that has to be a value bet almost always because i am very showdown bound. If your check usually says you're quitting on a hand then you are fine with this call IMO.

2nd on, when 2 hearts pop up i decide i'm showing down. Since he is pf-raiser the river is essentially a blank, besides AhXh hands.

[Scary_Tiger]

I definitely call the first.

The second I'd fold the river. What do we beat? K9?

[PartyGirlUK]

1 is a fold.

[Bluffman]

i actually don't think you are sucky at all. in fact, i don't have any opinion on your play. i don't think we've played enough together for me to make any sort of assessment.

about the hands, im kinda curious what i had in the first hand. and i think i'm probably winning in hand 2. probably a Q or something.

[Bluffman]

oh also, i like your call in hand 1. i think you win.

[mahogany17]

If your image is that of a showdown monkey, Bluffman wouldn't expect you to fold either hand. This makes both 1 and 2 a fold, as he's not betting anything you beat.
Given Bluffman has indicated he does not think of you that way, I think both are close decisions, Cheers, Mahogany17

[DeathDonkey]

I think you should bet the turn in hand 1 for value. I think when I'm playing mediocre/bad I get ace high and figure out how I can get to showdown with it and wind up giving free cards on the turn more often than getting them. His hand in hand one looks a lot like two random overcards that peeled the flop so unless he's bluffing a huge amount of the time on the river when you check through the turn giving the card there might hurt you. There is also a lot of metagame benefit to continuing to pound on people who want free cards when you only have a weak made hand yourself. Also you sometimes have to deal with tough turn checkraise spots but it might be more +EV to induce bluff raises and still showdown ace high if that makes sense.

-DeathDonkey

[danzasmack]

DD -

I think a turn bet in hand 1 is really player dependant. If he's getting c/r'd by any pair/draw then I don't really like it. I was getting pwnd by hands like 89/67 for like a whole week until i realized i was playing like [censored].

With no read though, yeah bet the turn, because if i don't have anything on them they probably have nothing on me.

[DeathDonkey]

What pair doesn't checkraise this awesomely dry flop? I'd be pretty happy to get CRed on this turn and just try and fade a bunch of river cards.

-DeathDonkey