And if we're lost, we are lost together....

woodguy · #1 08-30-2007, 11:12 AM

Not playing much since the WSOP, and feeling rusty and bad. (worse than my normal bad)

Comments on every street please (include "misplayed on every street [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] )

Full Tilt $150

My stack 3000, BB 2600

BB= 30

Very early, no reads.

Folded to me on the button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] so I raise it up to 90 to go,......standard.....BB calls

Flop (195) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks.

In this spot I usually bet as a lot of worse hands call etc, and usually fold to a reasonable raise since if ahead, I'm not ahead by very much.

If my cbet is called I try to get to the river cheap and maybe call a river bet depending on the board.

Here I thought there was a good chance I had best hand (which probably means a bet), and while vulnerable, I didn't want to fold to a c/r as I am 50/50 against a lot of hands he c/r's.

Maybe I'm jumping at shadows since a c/r is more likely when shallower than this....correct?

So I figure I'll check back the flop to look for a blank and put more money in there if as my equity should be better on most turns. A bonus of this is getting a bluff lead from a hand that folds to a c-bet.

Is my head up my ass with all this or not?

back to the hand....

BB checks, I check

Turn (195) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB leads 150, I raise to 450 to go, BB calls

I think my raise here might be wrong. Initially my thoughts are to get value from Ax X[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], but now that my hand can improve to a boat, should I be calling here? I'm probably folding to jam over my raise since I think the majority of hands he does this with are ahead of me......does he jam here with Ax X[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] enough to worry about this?

River (1095) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks....

Hero?

Thanks,
Woodguy

Bakes · #2 08-30-2007, 11:15 AM

He's not going to jam with AxXh on the turn, I like the raise. I think the river is a check; trying to bluff the Jh or Qh here is going to be a losing proposition without an overbet shove.

Dalek · #3 08-30-2007, 11:36 AM

Does the BB defend his blinds at all? You were in a steal position so he doesn't need much of a hand to play. On the flop bet 2/3 of the pot with your vunerable and possibly second best hand. If he raises fold.

The raise on the turn isn't bad but i would fold or call and see what happens on the river. If he stops he may have been representing a flush. If he bets he probably has it. When he calls your re-raise i'd give him credit for a flush.

River: Check. Better hands call, worse hands fold.

Mench · #4 08-30-2007, 02:47 PM

i like the flop check since I don't want to get c/r off the bet hand, and often when you check back flop they fire 2 street with most of their range. Turn raise is solid, but as Bakes said, river is a def check. I figure you win about 50% of the time here and no use trying to make a random fold a flush if he has one.

woodguy · #5 08-30-2007, 07:33 PM

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He's not going to jam with AxXh on the turn

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Really? Hmmmmm, if we were villian, should we then, since better hands fold?

woodguy · #6 08-30-2007, 07:35 PM

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Does the BB defend his blinds at all? You were in a steal position so he doesn't need much of a hand to play

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Which is part of the reason I checked the flop, to get a bluff, although checking this flop can be view as strong because its a very A+ cbet spot. (I think)

woodguy · #7 08-30-2007, 07:37 PM

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no use trying to make a random fold a flush if he has one.

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Which flushes do you think lead the river, and which check call?

woodguy · #8 08-30-2007, 10:58 PM

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mikeJ · #9 08-30-2007, 11:08 PM

Why post results so soon?

Anyhow, I like a flop bet. I feel that on this flop, you aren't getting semibluffed that often even by hearts. On this type of flops, people are way more likely to c/c a heart draw cause they feel they don't have much FE over your range once you bet a dangerous board (even the donks sense it). There's plenty of value to be had and you don't want to give gutshots or like pair+gs's a free draw, not to mention flush draws (not to mention that you dislike 1/2 the deck on the turn). Once you check the flop, I like the turn raise, as you can get value from worse aces and protect against draws, and people never 3-bet bluff/semibluff there, so it's an easy muck. As far as getting blown off the hand, it's not a big deal, since it's a 4 outer, however if you had just turned a set sixes for example, i'd be more likely to just flat cause getting blown off your hand is decidedly worse w/ 10 outs. As played, no point in bluffing here, as your hand has enough showdown value and enough of your oppt's range is one heart that is c/c-ing to make checking better than bluffing (though betting 1k might be optimal vs. some oppts).

woodguy · #10 08-30-2007, 11:10 PM

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Why post results so soon?

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O.K. deleted.

Thread wasn't getting much action, thought I close it.