PS $4.40 180 - River value bet - should I just shove here?

[2Fast]

Just wondering what people think - wanted to extract something out of both guys but I'm betting half my remaining stack into the pot on the river as a ~ 1/3 value bet - give that they've played along with me til here would a shove have been better? I always tend to just bet for value with the nuts here but maybe they both look me up with two pair?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO (t1070)
Button (t1515)
SB (t1860)
Hero (t3100)
UTG (t2470)
UTG+1 (t950)
MP1 (t3940)
MP2 (t1575)
MP3 (t2160)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t60</font>, CO calls t60, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t30, UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 calls t30.

Flop: (t375) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t120</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t120, MP3 calls t120, CO calls t120, Hero calls t120.

Turn: (t975) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t420</font>, UTG folds, MP1 calls t420, MP3 calls t420, CO folds.

River: (t2235) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t840</font>, MP1 calls t840, MP3 calls t840.

Final Pot: t4755

[footnbaseball]

I think you should bet more on the turn, which in this situation would also allow you to push the river. Theres two flush draws out there, you should make them pay a little more then half pot to chase, I'd bet like 600ish on the turn.

If they both call you can push the river, if only one calls you'd have about a PSB left, and value betting and pushing would be pretty close.

[sapsuckah]

In a 4/180, especially early, I'd have a hard time not shoving this. These guys get married to their pairs A's and would have a very hard time letting them go. At least one of them will call here.

Matt

[sapsuckah]

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I think you should bet more on the turn, which in this situation would also allow you to push the river. Theres two flush draws out there, you should make them pay a little more then half pot to chase, I'd bet like 600ish on the turn.

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Yeah, I totally missed your turn bet size. What footnbaseball said.

Either way, I'm pushing the river.

[KneeCo]

Man, the hands from these 4/180s always look funny.

Anyway, how about C/R AI on the turn? Seeing a flop 5 handed I don't see it getting checked around.

And yea, you have to get this all-in somewhere along the line.

[All_In_Olly]

I like a check raise on the turn but obviously leading out is good also, though I bet 2/3s to 3/4s of the pot - it's level II in a 4/180, don't worry about everyone folding.
Plus a bigger turn bet will build the pot enough to make an all in on the river look less intimidating and better induce calls.