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Old 09-21-2007, 03:27 PM
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Default tricky QQ hand. play along 1k nl

Villain seems like a tagfish. He is too loose oop and is prone to some reckless plays. I was c/c turn because in my experience people bet when they get checked to twice. How do you react to this wimpy bet though?
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $442
Hero: $1230
CO: $328.9
Button: $1844.25
SB: $1860.5
BB: $897

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $40</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $120</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($265, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($265, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $60</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero
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Old 09-21-2007, 03:31 PM
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Default Re: tricky QQ hand. play along 1k nl

raise to 225
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Old 09-21-2007, 03:33 PM
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he reraises to 450 (lol) fold here?
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Old 09-21-2007, 03:34 PM
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Default Re: tricky QQ hand. play along 1k nl

its important to mention that villain is like 22/11. And doesn't get crazy with 3 bets.
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Old 09-21-2007, 03:34 PM
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was this me by any chance? I kind of remember something similar to this hand happening.

and yeah, standard would be to fold I think
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Old 09-21-2007, 03:35 PM
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tommo why are you folding to the min 3-bet? You think it is a monster 90% of the time?
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Old 09-21-2007, 03:36 PM
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meh...takes a pretty special guy to make a bluff like this, and a weaker made hand is very unlikely to play like this

Also if he's a bit of a fish then the hands he might be bluffing with are a pretty small part of his range. AK and maybe AQ, I'm guessing he isn't 3betting AJ. He probably isn't bluffing a small pocket pair (this is the fish part). He probably isn't bluffing AT and JJ is basically a bluff (which he wouldn't bluff with for the same reason).

In other words either

Villain is maybe bluffing with: AK or AQ. Seems kind of unlikely, most players would just bet bigger and not do this weird b/3b stuff.

Villain has a stronger hand than QQ. Not that unlikely, he may figure that you'll discount him having AA,KK given the flop check. Or he may think you "just can't fold" to the small three bet.
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Old 09-21-2007, 03:55 PM
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Default Re: tricky QQ hand. play along 1k nl

Just echoing what has been said. It's unlikely he's bluffing just because of the first bet size, no one plans to bluff by bet-3bet like this or even bets this small with AK because they are usually worried they'll get action they don't want.

It does suck though because it feels like only AA TT which means he very rarely has to do something dumb w/ other hands. But i think it's close to never.
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Old 09-21-2007, 04:36 PM
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I like the checkraise, but fold now, for reasons above.
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Old 09-21-2007, 04:45 PM
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Default Re: tricky QQ hand. play along 1k nl

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its important to mention that villain is like 22/11. And doesn't get crazy with 3 bets.

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Given this, this is a fold, otherwise it's closer. I'd sometimes flat the $60 and c/r the river for value though if I checked the turn, but I have FPS so maybe that's retarded, i dunno.
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