$16 KQ in Blinds Battle

veeRtje · #1 10-09-2007, 02:45 AM

Villain had fishy stats, cant remember the exact ones, but loose passive for sure.
I was pretty sure to be ahead on the flop, imo there was no way he could have an Ace here.
How would you guys play this?
ps. a cookie for who can guess villains hand.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG (t1320)
MP (t1605)
Button (t1518)
SB (t5263)
Hero (t3794)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to t300, SB calls t200.

Flop: (t600) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t300, SB calls t300.

Turn: (t1200) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t1200, Hero calls t1200.

River: (t3600) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t2000, Hero calls t1994 (All-In).

Final Pot: t7588

vers · #2 10-09-2007, 02:55 AM

I think I fold the turn. Seems pretty spewy to be fleted w/ 38 BB with just 2nd pr HU. Also on the flop I probably bet 400. Villain has QJ, A rag? Whatever it may be, I just fold instead of having to call down the whole way and jeopardize a good stack.

drzen · #3 10-09-2007, 03:59 AM

Of course he can have an ace. Your read is that he's loose passive and fish love to limp the a-rags.

Q.. · #4 10-09-2007, 05:26 AM

Check behind flop and keep pot small for cheap showdown. Its too bad to stack off to big stack with your stack here with second pair.

McSturdy · #5 10-09-2007, 05:51 AM

I would check behind pf. He's loose (more unlikely to fold pf) and I really hate playing a big pot with KQ against the chip leader given the stack sizes. Too passive?

As played flop bet/check behind are close imo. Given his looseness I'm leaning towards checking. I fold the turn always.

The blackjacker · #6 10-09-2007, 07:13 AM

I really don't like the river or turn call. What do you beat? a flushdraw? that bets on all streets and bluff the river?
A bad queen that bet all streets?

I think he has at least an ace. The high kicker aces he won't have very often since he would raise those preflop so I think he has something like A7,A8,A5,A3. or maybe 33.

And you said he was loose passive, and still he bets pot on the turn, and you call?

I would fold easily to the pot bet on the turn. Specially if you have a read that he's passive.

Petter · #7 10-09-2007, 07:41 AM

Did he have KJ, QJ or even J4 of clubs

DGartner · #8 10-09-2007, 09:19 AM

I check flop, heads up is not a big worry flush draws u even have a redraw for the nut flush if the turn is a club and the ace is already out and the king is good for you.

Bet turn if checked like 2/3, if he bets, call and check river, and if he bets big on the river u have to give him credit. Did he have KT or QJ?

eurythmech · #9 10-09-2007, 09:23 AM

Wow this is very bad.

I guess raising pre isn't bad, depends on villain, but there's nothing wrong with playing the pots small with these stacks.

I hate the flop bet, hate the turn bet oh so much more, and kind of feel you might want to call river after having called turn, but no...no, I don't.

Villain has Q4

veeRtje · #10 10-10-2007, 02:32 AM

villain had J3o. I was REALLY sure an Ace was out of the question because he would raise that Pre flop.
and I was unable to put him on a turned 2 pair here.
I hate checking behind on the flop, cause i was sure i was ahead and checking would make it even harder to put him on a hand. But the HUGE turn bet should probably be a sign i'm behind.