AQs TPTK big pot

Man of Means · #1 09-10-2007, 11:00 AM

This is the only hand I played last night where I was totally in the dark postflop. And I went the passive way. Please discuss.
Also capping preflop with this large field: yay or nay?

4/8 foxwoods, mostly loose passive opponents
Preflop 3-bettor: This is the first time I've seen him 3town in a few hours. Still, he has a "gambler" image.

Hero has A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in EMP. 1 limper, Hero raises, Villain 3bets next in, button calls the $12, blinds and limper come along as well.

Flop (6 players, 18 sb)
Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Blinds and limper check, Hero checks, PFR bets, all call, Hero calls.
Bet out, C/r here, or wait for safe turn to fling poo?

Turn (6 players, 12 bb)
7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Checked, Hero checks, PFR bets, no one raises but 1 person might have folded. Hero calls.

River (many players still, 17-18 bb)
6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Checked, Hero checks,...

KitCloudkicker · #2 09-10-2007, 11:04 AM

easy value cap preflop.

as played up til the flop, check raise the flop and take control of the hand. call down a 3 bet.

given that that didnt happen bet/fold the river.

HoneyBadger · #3 09-10-2007, 11:43 AM

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given that that didnt happen bet/fold the river.

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Yuk, 18 BB pot, TPTK, no fold.

Man of Means · #4 09-10-2007, 01:16 PM

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given that that didnt happen bet/fold the river.

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Yuk, 18 BB pot, TPTK, no fold.

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pretty much would have to be a corpse rising from the dead type of thing to make me fold anywhere in this hand.

mongidig · #5 09-10-2007, 01:56 PM

Whether to cap here or not depends on what range you give the three better. If he has a tighter range then capping would be bad since your equity in the hand has gone down. If he has a wide range then cap.

I don't mind check-calling this down given this board. There is only one overcard to worry about (K), no straights, and just the flush draw. This is a hand I like to get to showdown and if you play it any other way you risk getting blown off the hand or paying too much. Your opponents have 2-3 outs unless they have a flush draw. I would play this as a way ahead way behind situation.

BigBadBabar · #6 09-10-2007, 03:45 PM

not an easy pf cap, and a really bad betfold on river.

i don't mind your line really MoM. nh.

KitCloudkicker · #7 09-10-2007, 03:52 PM

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not an easy pf cap, and a really bad betfold on river.

i don't mind your line really MoM. nh.

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5 handed i think its a cap unless the pfr has AA.

i also dont think taking a passive line is good here in a pot this big.

and i dont get why a bet/fold is bad. if you're raised on the river you are good here 0%.

BigBadBabar · #8 09-10-2007, 03:59 PM

i didn't see anything about 5 handed?

i don't disagree with you about if we get raised on the river we're usually beat but in a huge pot with tptk and some action i want to see showdown.

KitCloudkicker · #9 09-10-2007, 04:02 PM

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i didn't see anything about 5 handed?

i don't disagree with you about if we get raised on the river we're usually beat but in a huge pot with tptk and some action i want to see showdown.

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5 handed = 5 players in the pot. the 2 players with the best hands preflop are eating up all the equity of the 3 players with inferior hands. this includes situations where one player has KK and the other AQs (AQo is more marginal).