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Old 07-29-2007, 02:32 PM
Joost1982 Joost1982 is offline
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Default Check/call river examples

Can someone give me some examples where a check/call on the river is the best move? Why (and when) do you do that? Is it because it saves you money when you are behind (otherwise your "valuebet" will be raised and then you are in trouble) and wins money when you are ahead (villain will fold on your valuebet), because it induces a bluff ?
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Old 07-29-2007, 03:50 PM
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Default Re: Check/call river examples

Because villain's calling range beats us but his betting range doesn't. Player dependent etc etc

That is as helpful as I can be right now, I'm sure someone else can do better.
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Old 07-29-2007, 03:57 PM
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Default Re: Check/call river examples

Using it to induce a bluff from a draw is my most common use.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($36.45)
MP ($5.70)
CO ($33.15)
Button ($30.20)
SB ($20.05)
Hero ($62.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, Button calls $1, SB calls $1.

Flop: ($3.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2.5</font>, Button calls $2.50, SB folds.

Turn: ($8.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($8.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $3.5</font>, Hero calls $3.50.

Final Pot: $15.75

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qc Js (two pair, jacks and twos).
Button has 5h 6h (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins $15.75. </font>
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Old 07-29-2007, 10:36 PM
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Default Re: Check/call river examples

Thanks!
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Old 07-30-2007, 01:55 AM
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Default Re: Check/call river examples

Best time to do it is when the draws have missed to let villain bluff their missed draws, or when the villain is very bluff happy.
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Old 07-30-2007, 03:36 AM
itWASaDREAM itWASaDREAM is offline
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Default Re: Check/call river examples

I think its a matter of just "reverse engineering the hand".

Like the example, I don't think that the person who ended up with the flush draw is going to check the turn with a king, may check if he has something like AQhh, but probably would have folded AQ off on the flop. So its not likely he made broadway with it being suited. That being said hes likely to have a low flush draw/underpair, and a check call is going to be the most un-exploitable option. Hes not calling anything you beat when you bet the river,and he bets a lot of hands that missed.
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