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Old 07-28-2007, 11:57 AM
pacman2k7 pacman2k7 is offline
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Default NL25, QQ preflop, should I push??

Villain on BTN is 40/15/2 180 hands, shortstack guy is unknown.

I hate calling here, cause of the SH guys cold call, and BTN range is wide also...

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $46.80
BB: $13.05
Hero (UTG): $28.15
CO: $25.45
BTN: $24.65

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $3.00</font>, SB folds, BB calls $2.75, <font color="red">Hero ??
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Old 07-28-2007, 12:40 PM
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Default Re: NL25, QQ preflop, should I push??

i´m calling and seeing a flop.
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Old 07-28-2007, 12:42 PM
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Default Re: NL25, QQ preflop, should I push??

MY standard is to CALL and CRAI on an all under flop...I do not like to 4 bet QQ at this level...A 4 bet will committ you to call if button shoves most likely facing AA or KK...
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Old 07-28-2007, 12:51 PM
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Default Re: NL25, QQ preflop, should I push??

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MY standard is to CALL and CRAI on an all under flop...I do not like to 4 bet QQ at this level...A 4 bet will committ you to call if button shoves most likely facing AA or KK...

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But this way you are still stacking off vs AA and KK and give button to catch up with an ace.
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Old 07-28-2007, 12:54 PM
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Default Re: NL25, QQ preflop, should I push??

Nobody worries about the BB?
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Old 07-28-2007, 01:02 PM
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Default Re: NL25, QQ preflop, should I push??

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MY standard is to CALL and CRAI on an all under flop...I do not like to 4 bet QQ at this level...A 4 bet will committ you to call if button shoves most likely facing AA or KK...

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But this way you are still stacking off vs AA and KK and give button to catch up with an ace.

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YES we are stacking off to AA/KK either way..BUT we extract more value when ahead..We extract a C-bet from an UI AK or an under pair that 3 bet "light"..Downside is if he would call a shove with with AK or JJ/TT..Absent a read these hands most likely fold to shove...If we 4 bet what do you think button calling/shoving range is???

Now if button is a freguent "light" 3 better I will 4 bet to ISO the short stack...
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Old 07-28-2007, 01:05 PM
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Default Re: NL25, QQ preflop, should I push??

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Nobody worries about the BB?

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BB is a short stack..The worries is with the button...BB cold call is very weak most likely holdings a med pairs and AK...
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Old 07-28-2007, 01:15 PM
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Default Re: NL25, QQ preflop, should I push??

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BB is a short stack..The worries is with the button...BB cold call is very weak most likely holdings a med pairs and AK...

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Ok!
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Old 07-28-2007, 01:15 PM
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Default Re: NL25, QQ preflop, should I push??

On this level a villain with a stat like this often 3bet w/ JJ+ AJs, AQ, AK..

with 40/15 I cant put him on only AA or KK!!
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Old 07-28-2007, 01:22 PM
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Default Re: NL25, QQ preflop, should I push??

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On this level a villain with a stat like this often 3bet w/ JJ+ AJs, AQ, AK..

with 40/15 I cant put him on only AA or KK!!

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Nobody's putting villain's 3 bet range on AA and KK only..
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