Is poker gambling? - Page 3

Poker Plan · #21 10-23-2006, 03:16 PM

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casino games and poker are just diffrent games. The outcomes are not set so they're both gambling. It's just that in poker you can choose the odds yourself whereas in the casino games the odds are fixed (except blackjack).

It's all gambling

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Well said, that man.

Brom · #22 10-23-2006, 08:50 PM

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risking something of value on an event that hasn't got a guarunteed outcome.

That's my deffinition. So yes; poker is gambling, and so do the casinos!

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I'm sorry to be a nit but I have a problem with this conception. The problem is that nothing is guaranteed. Quantum mechanics and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle show that nothing can have a probability of 1 nor 0.

So by this definition everything that involves the prospect of profit or loss (whether it's monetary, property, time, emotion, etc.) based on any event is considered gambling.

So if everything is gambling, then it seems rather redundant to separate poker from these other things, because they ultimately are all the exact same thing.

Unknown Soldier · #23 10-23-2006, 10:19 PM

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I'm sorry to be a nit

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O.k. I see your point (not the first time it's been mentioned). But actually I do think pretty much everyrthing is gambling and it might help your decisions to think of it as gambling. Think about it and you might agree. For the purpose of this post I'm changing "something" to money. More clear?

Unknown Soldier · #24 10-23-2006, 10:35 PM

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The problem is that nothing is guaranteed. Quantum mechanics and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle show that nothing can have a probability of 1 nor 0.

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probability I roll a 7 on a six-sided die? pretty sure that's 0

FortunaMaximus · #25 10-23-2006, 10:39 PM

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The problem is that nothing is guaranteed. Quantum mechanics and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle show that nothing can have a probability of 1 nor 0.

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probability I roll a 7 on a six-sided die? pretty sure that's 0

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Wrong. You didn't mention what was labeled on the sides, and they could change during the roll. The probability of that is not 0. Read up on the mechanics and principles that were cited.

Oh, check Schrodinger's Cat while yer at it. Damn tabby might be hungry [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Unknown Soldier · #26 10-23-2006, 10:44 PM

sides are 1-6, if it lands on an edge (or anythintg but 1-6) then roll again untill 1-6 is achieved. No chance it will be a 7.

Abbaddabba · #27 10-23-2006, 11:10 PM

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Poker is a gambling game that requires skill.

If you want a non gambling game of skill (eg no randomness) try playing chess.

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Putting a wager on a game of chess "is" gambling for the same reasons.

Chance plays a role in each game.
It just plays far less of a role.

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I'm sorry to be a nit but I have a problem with this conception. The problem is that nothing is guaranteed. Quantum mechanics and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle show that nothing can have a probability of 1 nor 0.

So by this definition everything that involves the prospect of profit or loss (whether it's monetary, property, time, emotion, etc.) based on any event is considered gambling.

So if everything is gambling, then it seems rather redundant to separate poker from these other things, because they ultimately are all the exact same thing.

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Because it more closely fits the conventional definition.

The only problem is that the conventional definition can carry a whole lot of connotation that isnt necessarily applicable.

Many people take gambling to also mean the inevitability of losing.

But to the OP,

How do you explain to your family that the vast majority of people loser money at poker?
How do you explain that nearly every single one of those players believes that they are good enough to win?
How do you differentiate yourself from them?

That's more important.

FortunaMaximus · #28 10-23-2006, 11:26 PM

Disclipine answers all three.

davebwell · #29 10-23-2006, 11:56 PM

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Another question: Suppose I do some research and determine that a particular futures contract is overpriced, so I take a short position. Is it gambling if it's a Tradesports contract for who will win the World Series, but not gambling if it's a contract on what pork bellies will cost in April 2007?

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I believe you are going to own shares of pork bellies. Are going to own shares of the World Series?

come up with any rationalizations you want, poker is gambling.

Off Duty · #30 10-24-2006, 12:26 AM

So is my stock portfolio (I have an edge there)

So is my book of recievables in my business (I'd like to think I've got an edge there)

My card play is definately gambling.

I'd bet other stuff if I thought I had an edge. I have a lot of respect for degenerates (like Ivey) who just have that whole GAMBOLL deal down.

Frankly, I don't enjoy the gamble stuff as much as I enjoy the skill deal, but you can't get paid for skill.