Ask Parallax about powerlifting - Page 3

mattnxtc · #21 07-06-2007, 09:07 PM

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Lol...you guys are too funny. You're right, I know nothing about powerlifting. I've been making it all up. Matt, I'm sure you are benching 400+ right? And yea my methods must be bizarre, I mean what powerlifter does illegal wides, rack pulls, board work, bands, and chains? Man you guys have it all figured it out..
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Actually no...Im 205 benchin about 290 which is in now way impressive to me at all and could probably deadlift max about 330-350 which is again weak in my opinion (and you can check my log which I have kept on here to see my progression up). To be in any sort of real lifting I would think you bench needs to be up around 350 which seems average for just some of the stronger guys at my gym.

So your bench isnt impressive to me, you say your squat/deadlift are awful so I have to question why you would even compete?

As I said in the last post..you may have some things to discuss, but in terms of being qualified I dont see it.

Guids/Thremp..do you have any links to the westside stuff? I am always lookin for new routines

1C5 · #22 07-06-2007, 10:08 PM

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Parallax,

Usually "Ask Me" threads are started by experts. Like if I started an "Ask Me about Porn", I would be well qualified, but there are others who would be much better... But I digress.

Perhaps an Ask Me thread would be better served with you asking questions?

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Well it would be good if the guys starting the thread were qualified.

IE: Pretend Ronnie Coleman came on here and was honest about how he trained, the supplements he takes and what he eats, I would forsure be intrested even if very little actually would apply to me.

Or for example, say a powerlifter who could bench 600 lbs had an ask me thread about powerlifting, I am sure he would get a whole lot more respect than someone who benches 300 lbs.

1C5 · #23 07-06-2007, 10:12 PM

oh and before someone says "it doesnt matter how much you lift...." or "a good coach doesn't have to be a good player..."

when it comes to powerlifting, I want to know what guys actually lift before I am going to take any of their advice.

as someone else said, I don;t even think 300 lbs is that much. I was doing that years ago not even training bench at all and weighing 205 lbs. I guess I was "strong" but not strong at all in a powerlifting sense.

GooseHinson · #24 07-06-2007, 10:15 PM

I didn't mean to insult you Parallax, it's just that your lifts aren't very impressive and your methods of training aren't the norm.

I'd love to get into the westside stuff too and put statics/negatives into my routine. Are there ways to improvise boards/chains/bands or get around them? Also, I've heard leg drive can add up to 20% to your bench. I've experimented with this and haven't really gotten the hang of it (my hips usually cramp up). I think I have the arch down though, any links to articles that explain this?

thirddan · #25 07-06-2007, 10:38 PM

goose, read dave tates old articles on t-nation...hes has some on how to increase bench...i think eric cressey also has some benching tips in his shoulder saver articles...check elitefts.com also, lots of articles that would help you on the bench...

Parallax · #26 07-07-2007, 12:38 AM

I never said I was particularly strong, but I feel qualified to at least help people who have questions about powerlifting and want to at least learn some of the techniques.

Goose, you can improvise boards and chains easily by buying them at a hardware store. A "2-board" is two pieces of wood bound together and comes approximately 4 inches off your chest, "3-board" is 6 inches and people do 4 or 5 board presses as well. Chains you could get anywhere as long as you know what they weigh. Ideally, they should add about 50 pounds at the lockout. Leg drive is difficult to get down, although the leg cramp signifies you are actually using your legs (that's good). I think of it as something like a deadlift where you are just pushing your heels right through the ground and pressing your butt against the pad very hard.

BTW, a competition bench press is something totally different than the average bounce the bar off the chest lift you see in the gym everyday. That's the part I suggested I could help with (technique). It seems there are some really strong guys here, which is great so let's all have a constructive thread and learn something from each other!

BTW, Guids your deadlift is elite for your weight class, http://exrx.net/Testing/WeightLiftin...Standards.html very impressive, top 1% of all lifters.

Rootabager · #27 07-07-2007, 01:16 AM

I always hated those standards. Makes short people seem too strong.

That is a good deadlift though guids. I am always afraid to max on dead for fear of hurting myself.

mattnxtc · #28 07-07-2007, 11:17 AM

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BTW, a competition bench press is something totally different than the average bounce the bar off the chest lift you see in the gym everyday. That's the part I suggested I could help with (technique). It seems there are some really strong guys here, which is great so let's all have a constructive thread and learn something from each other!

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and this is stuff you should mention...not an "ask me" thread

Packard · #29 07-07-2007, 01:17 PM

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I never said I was particularly strong, but I feel qualified to at least help people who have questions about powerlifting and want to at least learn some of the techniques.

Goose, you can improvise boards and chains easily by buying them at a hardware store. A "2-board" is two pieces of wood bound together and comes approximately 4 inches off your chest, "3-board" is 6 inches and people do 4 or 5 board presses as well. Chains you could get anywhere as long as you know what they weigh. Ideally, they should add about 50 pounds at the lockout. Leg drive is difficult to get down, although the leg cramp signifies you are actually using your legs (that's good). I think of it as something like a deadlift where you are just pushing your heels right through the ground and pressing your butt against the pad very hard.

BTW, a competition bench press is something totally different than the average bounce the bar off the chest lift you see in the gym everyday. That's the part I suggested I could help with (technique). It seems there are some really strong guys here, which is great so let's all have a constructive thread and learn something from each other!

BTW, Guids your deadlift is elite for your weight class, http://exrx.net/Testing/WeightLiftin...Standards.html very impressive, top 1% of all lifters.

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The boards you can make yourself easily yes.

The chains are difficult to find besides mail order. Home Depot and hardware stores sell chains but they are way too small in thickness and too light for most powerlifting. You might try getting the chains at a boating or sailing place ot you can order the chains online.

Colt McCoy · #30 07-07-2007, 03:02 PM

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guids,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you aren't doing westside if you have a squat and dead day. Shouldn't you have Max days and speed days with combined lower body exercises in a Westside program?

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The whole "I'm doing a Westside-style program" is kind of confusing (to me at least) because the training can vary so much based on a variety of factors. If you go thru all the articles on the Westside site you can see how two people could be doing dramatically different-looking programs that are both Westside programs.