preflop checkie cause i have lost every pot in the last 7 days,

[Ansky]

nah it was 15/30 nl on ftp

[illguitar]

What's the standard play when he flat calls 2000 and pushes the flop and we miss? Easy call?

[Ansky]

ehhhhhhhh?

i dont expect anyone to ever call the 2k there .

[ahnuld]

stop-and-go. lol donkaments.

[*FamilyGuyFan*]

call shove over c-bet or 4-bet to 1.7k

[g0lfa]

Ansky, im curios to hear the reasoning behind the 4bet sizing in this hand. Ive watched a little bit of CTS and he tends to 4bet alot smaller, hoping to induce a wider 5-bet shove range maybe?. Is 2000 better than 1600 in this spot and if so why?

[evanski]

I play it the same FWIW. Id say I reraise/call with roughly a 70/30 mixture, and I lean towards reraising more often against unknowns. When I 3 bet I probably make it a tad less to balance bluffs and not put myself in bad spots having to call pushes with 56s (as ike basically went over).

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[all_in_lam]

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cero_z,

I think 2k is superior to to shoving, because it at least gives the impression of folding equity. I'm not saying that it WILL make a difference, if he has say.... AQ, but w/ this we at least give him a chance to shove whereas if we just shove I think he basically never calls a shove. Overall I am either folding, calling, or raising to 2k with any of my hands here, and basically never shoving.

If anyone has anything to say, especially regarding that last sentence, I think it'd be a good discussion.

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the general concensus is raising to 2k is better since we allow worse hands to shove given the impression of FE.. (i.e. AQ)
in a vacuum, which is what this hand is seeing no past history, woulndt shoving with AK be more superior as we can possibly fold pp hands such as 99 TT (since with on FE we are liekly to have a stronger hand)?

i think it goes both ways that the impression of FE can be good or bad.. depending if he shoves 77 against us (obv not what we want)

the exception woudl b if we 4-bet bluff enough that he might shove wiht AJ AQ.. which would not noramlly be the case against an unknown.