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Old 07-17-2006, 11:38 PM
whiteladder81 whiteladder81 is offline
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Default NL 100 - Turn play after a flop semi bluff

No Reads on Villain.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($71.85)
MP ($18)
Hero ($100.80)
SB ($137)
BB ($130.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, Hero calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, MP folds, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($11) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, SB calls $16.

Turn: ($51) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks,

Hero??
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Old 07-17-2006, 11:47 PM
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Default Re: NL 100 - Turn play after a flop semi bluff

Pooooooossssshhhhhh.

I think villian likely has an overpair here, and with the board pairing TP, I think we have a lot of FE here. If he calls us with an over pair we ahve a ton of outs.
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Old 07-17-2006, 11:53 PM
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Default Re: NL 100 - Turn play after a flop semi bluff

I dont like pushing thats like 80 into a $50 pot. I think checking is a decent enough option.

Villian could have a hand like an overpair or TP or overcards. I think TP or OCs is more likely though. Pushing doesnt fold out enough hands and you get insta called by TP or a set, just check and play poker on the river.
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Old 07-18-2006, 12:00 AM
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Default Re: NL 100 - Turn play after a flop semi bluff

check behind all day, you just bought a free card
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Old 07-18-2006, 12:02 AM
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Default Re: NL 100 - Turn play after a flop semi bluff

I think this is an easy push. His play clearly screams overpair and that ten on the turn probably scared the crap out of him. You can push here and expect to get a fold from anyone who knows how to play poker. Even if he calls you have about a dozen outs so that's not the end of the world. Your fold equity is enormous however. Easy all in.
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Old 07-18-2006, 12:06 AM
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Default Re: NL 100 - Turn play after a flop semi bluff

i dont get how this SCREAMS over pair. a lot of people 3 bet this flop with over pairs.
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Old 07-18-2006, 12:06 AM
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Default Re: NL 100 - Turn play after a flop semi bluff

check turn.
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Old 07-18-2006, 12:10 AM
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Default Re: NL 100 - Turn play after a flop semi bluff

I really butchered this hand but I really didnt think he had an over pair betting 4 preflop with 3 limpers and then betting 4 into an 11 pot on a scary board. I did think he was rather weak though.
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Old 07-18-2006, 12:20 AM
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Default Re: NL 100 - Turn play after a flop semi bluff

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I really butchered this hand but I really didnt think he had an over pair betting 4 preflop with 3 limpers and then betting 4 into an 11 pot on a scary board. I did think he was rather weak though.

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ya...just reread the hand and realized how weak his flop lead was. Missed that the first time through. Overpair does seem a lot more unlikely here.

To those advocating a check...what hands are we giving him credit for? Doesnt a set 3 bet the flop all day?
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Old 07-18-2006, 12:35 AM
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Default Re: NL 100 - Turn play after a flop semi bluff

I chose option c. and bet 38 into the 51 pot on the turn and he called. I thought he was weak and I was trying to rep. the T. River was 9s and he pushed. It was 38 to win approx. 162 but I really don't know what I could beat??
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