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06-06-2007, 05:47 PM
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Re: is this close?
meh i don't think so. Even if he has 23 you have 11 outs. There are a lot of 2 pair combos.
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#3
06-06-2007, 05:49 PM
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Re: is this close?
I dont think that there's any way that bb doesnt raise TT+ in that situation, and its fairly unlikely that he'll check 55 there.
More likely is a twopair turn hand that doesnt include the ace. I'd keep the gas down.
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#4
06-06-2007, 05:52 PM
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Re: is this close?
I'd 3-bet without thinking.
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#5
06-06-2007, 06:01 PM
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Re: is this close?
hmmmm ok
two followups: what should a reasonable villain's range be when he raises the turn? do you guys think a raise with bottom two is good here? do you ever raise with one pair here? what do we do on river if he caps? esp a board pairing river.
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#6
06-06-2007, 06:07 PM
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Re: is this close?
if he did manage to check the bb with Ax or A5 he could be on that line - mainly because your hand can't rep the ace and your line looks like it wants a fold - especially on the flop.
If you threeball the turn, he caps, the river pairs, you bet, he raises then i'd just call there and concde that he either played weird preflop, caught a miracle postflop, or spewed.
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#8
06-06-2007, 08:18 PM
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Re: is this close?
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hmmmm ok two followups: what should a reasonable villain's range be when he raises the turn? do you guys think a raise with bottom two is good here? do you ever raise with one pair here? what do we do on river if he caps? esp a board pairing river. [/ QUOTE ] We can argue all day about the exact # of hands you beat but what are you losing to? If I'm BB I beat you with 55 & that's it. edit - n/m 23 flopped the joint. Still a 3ball I think.
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#9
06-06-2007, 10:18 PM
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Re: is this close?
"what should a reasonable villain's range be when he raises the turn?"
As I said before I would only raise the turn here with A4,A5,55,32. I understand that when you bet/3bet the flop your most likely hand is two pair or better becuz if you had a strong ace you wouldve raised preflop. As an aside, I think if you had just an Ace you wouldve checked the flop to induce more action. With no history, it only makes sense to bet this flop with these following hands: two pair or better, a gutshot draw, 4x,5x, and a total bluff. When you 3bet the flop it may be true that you could be running a 3rd level rebluff since you know your opponent knows youre probably weak at this point which means he could be weak also, but youre most likely hand at this point is still 2pair or better since rebluffs are seldom a good idea cuz that requires putting someone on a thought which is not easy to do online. "do you guys think a raise with bottom two is good here?" Since your most likely hand is 2pair or better at this point, raisin the turn with a hand like 45 is spewage. "do you ever raise with one pair here?" Becuz I like money the answer is no. "what do we do on river if he caps?" If he caps the turn all you have is a crying calldown UI. If you improve to a boat its time to check/raise and if he 3bets the river youre back to a crying call situation if this guy plays logical.
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