Question on raising/"one chip rule"

[NickMPK]

1/2 NL game:
First player raises to $6
Second player throws out two red ($5) chips without saying anything.

Is this a call or a raise to $10?

[thesilkworm]

As long as he puts them out together, that is a raise to $10.

[TMTTR]

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As long as he puts them out together, that is a raise to $10.

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Everywhere I have played, this is the wrong answer. Unless he says raise, this is a call.

[bav]

I vote for "call". The intent is ambiguous. A single $5 isn't enough to call so the player had to put out more than one to do the call. Since he said nothing, you go with the least aggressive choice. If he put out 3 $5's, it's a raise. Two $25's is a raise. Ten $1's is a raise. A $25 and a $5 is a raise. But two $5's is a call.

[thesilkworm]

I see your point. Ignore my answer OP.

[SellingtheDrama]

Sigh...just say what you are going to do. Look at the dealer and say two words...either "I call" or "I raise". It's not *that* hard [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[mrmr]

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I vote for "call". The intent is ambiguous. A single $5 isn't enough to call so the player had to put out more than one to do the call. Since he said nothing, you go with the least aggressive choice.

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To the best of my knowledge, none of the casinos I've played in would rule this way.

In general, any money you put in the middle is a bet or raise, with very few exceptions. One of those exceptions is if you put out a single chip worth more than the current bet to you (without saying raise). But put out two chips, and you're back into the "default" behavior of betting/raising to whatever amount you put out there.

Remember, calling your actions is optional. And while it is within the realm of possibility that many people would want to put out two chips worth more than the current bet and consider it a call, the line has to be drawn somewhere, and by and large it has been drawn: the "one chip rule." It's pretty standard.

[Javanewt]

I vote for call.

[PokerDealerSTL]

According to every set of rules I have ever seen, this is a clear "call".

The "one chip rule" should definitely be renamed to the "unclear bet rule" like someone else said on here. The reason is that a dealer or the table is completely unclear on what the person acting is intending to do. The rule should be rewritten something along these lines...

If there is a bet earlier in the round, and a player throws in enough chips to where the final chip thrown in makes the range of the total (example bet is 600, player throws in two 500 chips therefore making the "range" of the two chips thrown out 501-1000)amount of the call and the player does not announce raise, it is a call.

To raise without saying raise in this instance, you must throw out an extra chip to where the range is enough to be able to make a raise, and the raise is either the minimum raise allowed (if there is a 1000 chip bet and you throw three 500 chips out, you would have to make the minimum raise to 2000), or the full amount of the chips thrown out.

I know it sounds confusing but I think you get the general idea of what I mean.

[Photoc]

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1/2 NL game:
First player raises to $6
Second player throws out two red ($5) chips without saying anything.
Is this a call or a raise to $10?

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I dont see how this is a call. 1/2 blinds, first raise is 4 more to 6 total. Player throws out 10 which is 4 more (the minimum raise allowable). Dealer should announce "raise to 10" and if the player says "no, it's just a call" before any action takes place, then it's a call. Otherwise, the bet is 100% correct for the minimum raise. It's not 1 chip and the 1 chip rule has virtually nothing to do with 2 chips being thrown in at the same time.