($200NL) 3bet on river in small pot

the_main · #1 07-23-2007, 11:36 AM

No reads othwer than stats, which are fishy and aggro: 42/12/4.7 over 40hands

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SB ($123.05)
BB ($65.90)
UTG ($76.40)
MP1 ($284.05)
MP2 ($176.85)
CO ($206.50)
Hero ($323.95)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP1 raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $6, 2 folds.

Flop: ($15) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($15) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($15) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets $6, Hero raises to $30, MP1 raises to $54, Hero calls or pots?

I bet this turn a lot but was fearing a c/r.

Keep in mind, this is PL and we are deepish.

River play -- call or pot?

bmanning · #2 07-23-2007, 11:42 AM

You would think he would bet a set of aces, jacks, or tens earlier and if you 4 bet you get value from those hands but if you 4 bet and he 5 bets its ugly(even though he could 5 bet with sets). fwiw i just call here even aggro fish gotta show up with nuts sometimes.

effang · #3 07-23-2007, 11:42 AM

He has a good hand, that's for sure. When aggro donks check twice on great boards to bet out, they have 2p at the min. The only question is how often his range is 2p and sets, versus the QK.

I wouldn't mind repotting and calling another raise. your hand is so disguised and really, with KQ, he should be betting this flop all the time with his agg factor. I think he has AA or JJ, (but the turn looks weird then). River makes sense with flopped set, weak bet inducing action.

mce86 · #4 07-23-2007, 12:21 PM

Its just a call IMO. Is KQ a possible hand? Obv. he slow played some strong hand. Weve already put into the pot much more than we thought would happen...obv, you could have KQ, so would he go crazy with a set here?

mce86 · #5 07-23-2007, 12:24 PM

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He has a good hand, that's for sure. When aggro donks check twice on great boards to bet out, they have 2p at the min. The only question is how often his range is 2p and sets, versus the QK.

I wouldn't mind repotting and calling another raise. your hand is so disguised and really, with KQ, he should be betting this flop all the time with his agg factor. I think he has AA or JJ, (but the turn looks weird then). River makes sense with flopped set, weak bet inducing action.

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Great thoughts here...I thought almost exactly the same...its fishy, whatever it is....its one of those where if you 4-bet, you win big or lose big..just hope to win big more often.

GrandMelon · #6 07-23-2007, 12:25 PM

Id pot it, this is a terribly played set/2pair way more than KQ IMO.

effang · #7 07-23-2007, 01:07 PM

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Id pot it, this is a terribly played set/2pair way more than KQ IMO.

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exactly. like i said, an aggro donk would be betting KQ here (a weak hand), and would be checking set or 2p (strong hand)...because that's how donks do it.

SABR42 · #8 07-23-2007, 01:10 PM

Re-pot it.

If he is bad enough to slowplay KQ here, surely he can also have AA, JJ, TT, AJ etc...

CazicT · #9 07-23-2007, 03:15 PM

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Re-pot it.

If he is bad enough to slowplay KQ here, surely he can also have AA, JJ, TT, AJ etc...

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I'd say pot it, though I have only played PL once I imagine this decision isn't that much different than NL.

Basically, he might have KQ, but I think there are many more hands he could have that you can beat and he will call with.

I don't mind losing alot of money with a well concealed second nuts.

Mr_Donktastic · #10 07-23-2007, 06:48 PM

I pot it.

From his shoes you really shouldn't have KQ since you checked the turn so I can see him 3 betting with less (basically a set). And no one would think you have 45 either.