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Old 05-23-2007, 08:24 PM
billzfan86 billzfan86 is offline
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Default nl 100: tough decision on flop with monster combo draw

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $106.60
BB: $103.80
UTG: $29.25
<font color="black">Hero (UTG+1): $99.50</font>
MP1: $100.40
MP2: $117.05
MP3: $100.00
CO: $26.40
BTN: $67.65

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.00</font>, <font color="red">MP1 raises to $13.00</font>, 3 folds, BTN calls $13.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $8.00

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($42.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP1 bets $16.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $36.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $86.50</font>, MP1 folds, BTN calls all-in for $18.65
Uncalled bet of $31.85 returned to Hero

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($167.80) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

<font color="black">River:</font> ($167.80) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $167.80 ($3 Rake)

BTN had A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Aces) and WON (+$97.15)
Hero had T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Eights) and LOST (-$67.65)


not really worried about the result but my two questions are is the preflop call correct and what do i do on the flop. tough hand for me becuase if i lead obv im calling a shove so tough hand
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Old 05-23-2007, 08:41 PM
Roger Mainfield Roger Mainfield is offline
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Default Re: nl 100: tough decision on flop with monster combo draw

Don't include results in the post, it skews the answers. I don't particularly like it preflop, the re-raise and flat call signifies at least one very strong hand unless they are bad. If button is thinking he knows utg+1 raises and then a re-raises right after it mean a strong hand, and he won't calls himself without a very strong hand, especially 1/6 of his stack. If I raised like you did I would play the rest of the hand like you did. But I would have definatly folded preflop the first time around. Getting 13% of you stack in vs 2 likely strong hands, OOP, with a 1-off suited connector is hugely -EV.
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Old 05-23-2007, 08:46 PM
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Default Re: nl 100: tough decision on flop with monster combo draw

I don't mind the raise preflop, but I tend to like to be in position when playing hands like this. Unless you're running over this table I will usually fold this hand in UTG+1. That said, I think you have to call the $8 into $31 when it comes back to you.

Flop looks fine.
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Old 05-23-2007, 09:08 PM
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Default Re: nl 100: tough decision on flop with monster combo draw

Where's the tough decision on flop? Flop's totally standard.

Pre-flop matter of preference, I don't really like it at all though
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Old 05-23-2007, 09:10 PM
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Default Re: nl 100: tough decision on flop with monster combo draw

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I don't mind the raise preflop, but I tend to like to be in position when playing hands like this. Unless you're running over this table I will usually fold this hand in UTG+1. That said, I think you have to call the $8 into $31 when it comes back to you.

Flop looks fine.

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yes you do. the PF raiser made a min raise and cost himself a lot of money. you have to call this, especially closing the action.

as said, you're only behind to a better flush, or a set.
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Old 05-23-2007, 09:13 PM
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Default Re: nl 100: tough decision on flop with monster combo draw

yea calling the $8 into $31 is fine....i dont know about raising 810s utg+1 but for switching it up so your EP raises arent getting too easily read i also do this from time to time.....but when calling this re raise this is prob. one of the best flops youll be able to see with this hand and i think flop play is fine
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Old 05-23-2007, 11:14 PM
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Default Re: nl 100: tough decision on flop with monster combo draw

well the reason why this is a tough flop hand is becuase I think one of the villians hands is highly gonna AA becuase while teh reraise is strong the flat call is even stronger I thought it definitly looked like aa from one of them and then the flop came and If didnt think that AA was out a high portion of the time I would easily get it all in becuase ide be ahead of most ranges. What makes this so tough is that a set is going to be out there a good portion of time given the preflop action
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Old 05-23-2007, 11:30 PM
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Default Re: nl 100: tough decision on flop with monster combo draw

If this flop didn't make you go "woo hoo! I can't wait to get it all in!" then fold this hand PF.
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Old 05-23-2007, 11:31 PM
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Default Re: nl 100: tough decision on flop with monster combo draw

There is no reason to put them on AA- there are more combinations of AK (especially given there is an ace on the board) and a lot of people are going to play it the same PF.
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Old 05-24-2007, 12:56 AM
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Default Re: nl 100: tough decision on flop with monster combo draw

well played
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