"Jesus" advises Yang to stiff dealers?

[AngusThermopyle]

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He was wrong, plain and simple. .

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How was he wrong?
Please explain.
He said $X was taken out of Yang's share of the prize pool for tips.
Do you dispute that?
Were his figures off?
By how much?

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The dealers only recieve 65% of the 1.8%, it is shared between over 700+ dealers and I wish I knew the total number of downs so you could calculate exactly how much each dealer would recieve. yet again this is not about the ammount, it is about CF knowing exactly how it is all diced up and this is the 2nd time that i know of of him convincing someone to not tip based on a false statement meant to mislead

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Yang got:
$8,250,000
Without the 6% taken out, that would be:
$8,776,596.
1.8% of that is:
$157,978.

Now the article says he said $148,500, you say $170,000.
So where is his math so far off?

The article says "the payout ladies asked what he would like to leave for the dealers", you claim they said "if he would like to leave anything ADDITIONAL (yes that is how it was stated) for the dealers".

Neither reports that they told him that the "tip in addition to that already taken out will be split 5-30-65". Or are you saying that the "additional tips" went 100% to the dealers?

And, whatever happened to " What Happens in Vegas, Stays in Vegas"? Harrah's employees are privy to a private conversation, and then blab it all over the 'Net. Good way in engender good will toward your cause.

[DrewDevil]

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You pay a huge rake, you play your ass off for a week, for a once in a life time cash, and you're expected to just give away hundreds of thousands of dollars you don't have to? That's madness.

Dealers might be bitter that people around them are winning millions of dollars but that doesn't entitle them to a freaking dime of the prizepool. THey aren't risking their money and they aren't playing. They are performing a job that can be done by pretty much anyone who isn't brain dead.

If you are impressed by the dealers and the service and by Harrahs (ahahah) then feel free to tip.

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I give up. Alot of the readers here have been wonderful to debate with, as for the rest of you that feel it necessary to put me down and my proffession and NOT READ MY ORIGINAL POST, y'all are sad

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P.S. Dealing cards is a job, not a profession. If you're making $50 an hour already, we simply think it's unseemly to whine about how you deserve more simply because some other guy won a ton of money in the casino where you work.

[pkrporcupine]

LMAO I have yet to understand where I stated that i wanted jerry to tip? This has nothing to do with him it has everything to do with chris and his opinions and statements that are simply not right.

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The dealers only recieve 65% of the 1.8%, it is shared between over 700+ dealers and I wish I knew the total number of downs so you could calculate exactly how much each dealer would recieve. yet again this is not about the ammount, it is about CF knowing exactly how it is all diced up and this is the 2nd time that i know of of him convincing someone to not tip based on a false statement meant to mislead

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I don't know Chris Ferguson personally, but I think you're over the top in saying that he meant to mislead anyone.

The fact is, 1.8% gets withheld from the prize pool for tips. Now, you're right, part of that goes to the dealers and part of that goes to the staff. What you're missing is that, from the perspective of us players, that's not a particularly meaningful distinction. (I understand why it's meaningful to you, naturally.) To most of us, a tip is a tip.

If Ferguson had explained it 100%, I guess he would have said "You've already tipped $100,000 to the dealers and $50,000 to the staff, so I would recommend zero." You agree that that would be a truthful statement, right? It's not clear to me that Yang's reaction would have been, "Oh, I've only given $100,000 to the dealers, I should definitely give more!"

And I really don't think it's fair to say Ferguson meant to mislead him, as if he was thinking, "Hey, I'll tell him the dealers got $150,000 instead of $100,000, that way he'll be more likely to give him nothing!" I think Ferguson's sole interest was in making sure this relative newcomer, a nice and likable guy, wasn't misled into thinking there would be no tip if he didn't contribute something more. It surely makes no difference to Ferguson if Yang gives the dealers $10,000 or $20,000 or nothing, so why would he try to "mislead"?

[AngusThermopyle]

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it has everything to do with chris and his opinions and statements that are simply not right.

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Read my last post and respond to it. Don't just keep saying Chris was wrong.

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You pay a huge rake, you play your ass off for a week, for a once in a life time cash, and you're expected to just give away hundreds of thousands of dollars you don't have to? That's madness.

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There's been a lot of dealer-bashing in this thread, a lot of comments about how anyone could do that job and they should be happy with what they get. Now, let's be even-handed and refrain from fetishizing what it means to win the WSOP. It's a great accomplishment to be proud of, but it also has aspects of winning the lottery. Because of the size of the field, it's not exactly the cream rising to the top every time, and I think we all get that.

You might work 45 or 50 years in a typical adult life. How many people even come close to earning $8 million in all that time? So let's not get started about "playing your ass off for a week" like it's such an amazing accomplishment that you clearly earned every dime.

Every time you leave a tip in life, you're giving away money "you don't have to." Yet most of us do. I agree it's not right to be judgmental about how much someone tips, but your post makes it sound like the very thought of "giving away" hard-earned money as a tip is somehow wrong. I think that's going too far.

[Dranoel]

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EXACTLY my point. The players pay enough in fee's and like I said originally, it should be Harrahs responsibility to give the staff and dealers a bigger chunk of the vig. I dont think it would harm them one bit to give up an additional 1.2% to make it a total of 3% withheld for the staff then do the 70/30 split. Any problems with that?
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[PITTM]

man, as far as handling situations poorly goes, pkrporcupine is an all star.

[IQof47]

I would love to see you be able to do what I do AND do it well enough to be televised.

It is a tough job, sometimes when fatigue sets in do you almost put 4 on the flop? Or forget the burn card? Oh the humanity. Congats on being on TV, I'm sure the nation is captivated to see who dealt the last hands of the worst WSOP ME FT ever. For Christ sake's(sorry Jerry) you guys have to call over someone every time there is the slightest problem at a table, because they don't trust you to make a competent decision.

Im sorry that you are not skilled nor educated enough to work smarter. I will make sure and wave to you next time I drive past the construction on Frank Sinatra Blvd

Haha coming from a dealer, wave all you want but isn't it tough to look that high out of the bus windows? Tell them to slow down with that construction, sounds like the market can't keep up out there, people like you will be able to buy a house soon.

[W brad]

Today you trash Jesus, last week you trashed Hellmuth.

Anyone see a trend here?