$22 - 55 hand long bubble about to burst. . . or is it???

LesJ · #1 06-20-2006, 02:14 AM

Every time a small stack moved in, they doubled up, enabling this bubble to seemingly last forever. The other players left were chatty and everyone seemed to be having a good time at the table. Should I have turned chat off before making my play on this hand?

PartyPoker $22 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t800 with t25 antes (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t5453)
Button (t373)
SB (t7803)
Hero (t6371)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
CO raises to t1600, Button calls t373 (All-in), SB folds, Hero ?????

vinyard · #2 06-20-2006, 02:17 AM

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Every time a small stack moved in, they doubled up, enabling this bubble to seemingly last forever. The other players left were chatty and everyone seemed to be having a good time at the table. Should I have turned chat off before making my play on this hand?

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Calling and checking down here is fine. Depending on how frisky I feel I may move in here but less so at lower limits. Any idea what COs range is?

Kn0wClue · #3 06-20-2006, 02:19 AM

fold. if the flop hits you most of the time it will be tricky. just save your 800 for another time.

FeNeF · #4 06-20-2006, 02:45 AM

Pushing is retarded. I don't see a big difference between calling and folding.

vinyard · #5 06-20-2006, 02:52 AM

Folding here pre-flop isn't just weak-tight its borderline indefensible. You are getting nearly 4:1 pre-flop with KJo 4 handed.

FeNeF · #6 06-20-2006, 02:53 AM

I don't agree. I think folding is a reasonable play with such big blinds.

caretaker1 · #7 06-20-2006, 02:59 AM

Calling > Folding > Raising All-in. Good pot odds and chance to team up to knock out shorty.

aujoz · #8 06-20-2006, 03:00 AM

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Calling and checking down here is fine. Depending on how frisky I feel I may move in here but less so at lower limits.

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If you knew your opponents were cluey, and cared about their own EV first, foremost, and only, you could push and know that they'd be forced to fold.

I haven't done the calculations, but I like pushing a lot - you cash if either you or min-raiser wins. You should have a heap of fold equity by pushing over the top - the Min-Raiser must beat you to stay in the tourney. If you win vs both hands, you head into HU with a massive advantage.

LesJ · #9 06-20-2006, 11:31 AM

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If you knew your opponents were cluey, and cared about their own EV first, foremost, and only, you could push and know that they'd be forced to fold.

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Well, the bubble had legit lasted 55 hands, so they obviously seemed interested in survival.

With UTG min raising, I guess it appeared to me that I had a greater chip lead on him than what I actually did, so I shoved. He really couldn't call, imho, without a premuim hand, so I felt assured that I would gain chips outta the deal. Looking back, I may have needed a slightly larger chip lead (over the UTG min raiser) for this to have been a real good play.

Noone else insta-shoves this?

Les