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Old 01-04-2007, 10:21 AM
higHstaKesOwneR higHstaKesOwneR is offline
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Default AA --> many straightdraws at the flop

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $144.35
CO: $129.78
Button: $84.82
Hero: $109.60
BB: $107.20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $6</font>, BB folds, Button calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($13, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $10</font>, Button calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($33, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $25</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in $68.82</font>, Hero calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($170.64, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $170.64)


Results:
Final pot: $170.64

Villian: 80 hands 68/16/1.3/31
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Old 01-04-2007, 10:28 AM
the machine the machine is offline
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Default Re: AA --> many straightdraws at the flop

thought spot. whats the last 31 for on your stats. thats usually number of hands. either way im probably getting it AI here too, however i dobt were ahead and im not the biggest fan here. i dont see what we beat but the price is too good to fold.

i think i like checking the turn as well here because hes so short. that way we dont commit ourselves to the pot
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Old 01-04-2007, 10:36 AM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Default Re: AA --> many straightdraws at the flop

I like a turn check.
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Old 01-04-2007, 10:39 AM
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Default Re: AA --> many straightdraws at the flop

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I like a turn check.

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Yeh, turn check/call (if he makes it ~2/3 pot), and see what happens. If the board doesn't get scarier on the river, I can live with check/call again.
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Old 01-04-2007, 10:46 AM
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Default Re: AA --> many straightdraws at the flop

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I like a turn check.

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I like a turn check, too. However, I prefer to CRAI if he bets a decent amount, like 20-25. This way we can commit him to our AI if he holds TP or the OESD.

Do you ever think about CRAI in this spot or are you just check-calling?
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Old 01-04-2007, 10:51 AM
Sciolist Sciolist is offline
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I like a turn check, too. However, I prefer to CRAI if he bets a decent amount, like 20-25. This way we can commit him to our AI if he holds TP or the OESD.

Do you ever think about CRAI in this spot or are you just check-calling?

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If he's aggressive (say, 4+ AGF), I'd be fine with this, but if he's sensible he's just going to check behind if he has OESD, so a bet here from someone on 1.3 AGF means he has something already, probably.
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Old 01-04-2007, 12:25 PM
SirArthur SirArthur is offline
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Default Re: AA --> many straightdraws at the flop

Bet more on the flop (atleast pot), helps to see where you stand and makes it easier to play on later streets. Check the turn.

As played, I call his river bet.
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Old 01-04-2007, 12:37 PM
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Default Re: AA --> many straightdraws at the flop

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I like a turn check, too. However, I prefer to CRAI if he bets a decent amount, like 20-25. This way we can commit him to our AI if he holds TP or the OESD.

Do you ever think about CRAI in this spot or are you just check-calling?

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If he's aggressive (say, 4+ AGF), I'd be fine with this, but if he's sensible he's just going to check behind if he has OESD, so a bet here from someone on 1.3 AGF means he has something already, probably.

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You are mis-interpreting his stats here. 1.3 AF is pretty aggressive for someone who plays 68% of their hands. Also, its only on 80 hands. It might just be a leak, but I keep betting and get all in against this guy (just like played). If I double him up, I double him up..
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Old 01-04-2007, 12:38 PM
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Default Re: AA --> many straightdraws at the flop

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I like a turn check.

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I think you are losing too much value even on this scary a board, against a 68/13. I need to have a very good reason not to play for stacks against someone with those stats with me having AA. (Especially at 100NL)
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Old 01-04-2007, 12:39 PM
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If he's aggressive (say, 4+ AGF), I'd be fine with this, but if he's sensible he's just going to check behind if he has OESD, so a bet here from someone on 1.3 AGF means he has something already, probably.

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You are mis-interpreting his stats here. 1.3 AF is pretty aggressive for someone who plays 68% of their hands. Also, its only on 80 hands. It might just be a leak, but I keep betting and get all in against this guy (just like played). If I double him up, I double him up..

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To be honest, I don't really remember the formula for AGF, hadn't really considered it in relation to VPIP or PFR. Doesn't it basically disregard folds or checks? So if you play 100% of hands and check/fold every single time you miss and bet every single time you hit two pair or better, you'll have infinite AGF?
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