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#11
09-18-2007, 12:17 AM
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Re: KJ facing turn donk
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I think youre drawing dead here very often. That said, I seldom fold. [/ QUOTE ] I play alot against you Mntbikr, and I know one thing...If you bet the turn in that spot Joop should fold cuz he will be drawing dead every time. If I bet the turn in that spot Joop should fold also. 
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#13
09-19-2007, 05:33 AM
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Re: KJ facing turn donk
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[ QUOTE ] I think youre drawing dead here very often. That said, I seldom fold. [/ QUOTE ] I play alot against you Mntbikr, and I know one thing...If you bet the turn in that spot Joop should fold cuz he will be drawing dead every time. If I bet the turn in that spot Joop should fold also. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think so, Westley. If I'm the BB, and I know you're a thinknig player, I also know that you might be Iso-raising a bunch of hands on this flop. Hands as poor as AQ. Why? because the big fish just gave you a big gift. So I come up with this wild and crazy plan of calling two with my KT and then betting a non-ace turn. The turn comes and it isn't an ace, so I bet. I know you're not going to bet anymore, and I need to protect my king.
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#14
09-19-2007, 05:38 AM
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Re: KJ facing turn donk
The way he played his hand, he's either made his draw (75, fd) or he's got a weakish made hand (which may have even picked up str8 or flush outs on the turn).
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#15
09-22-2007, 10:50 PM
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Re: KJ facing turn donk
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The way he played his hand, he's either made his draw (75, fd) or he's got a weakish made hand (which may have even picked up str8 or flush outs on the turn). [/ QUOTE ] good tags don't cold call two with "weakish" holdings in this spot. If I bet the turn, you are drawing dead. I think you should fold the turn, but I don't usually do it
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#16
09-23-2007, 08:56 PM
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Re: KJ facing turn donk
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think youre drawing dead here very often. That said, I seldom fold. [/ QUOTE ] I play alot against you Mntbikr, and I know one thing...If you bet the turn in that spot Joop should fold cuz he will be drawing dead every time. If I bet the turn in that spot Joop should fold also. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think so, Westley. If I'm the BB, and I know you're a thinknig player, I also know that you might be Iso-raising a bunch of hands on this flop. Hands as poor as AQ. Why? because the big fish just gave you a big gift. So I come up with this wild and crazy plan of calling two with my KT and then betting a non-ace turn. The turn comes and it isn't an ace, so I bet. I know you're not going to bet anymore, and I need to protect my king. [/ QUOTE ] I just wonder if the typical tag will have Kx often enough to make this calldown +EV. I dont know. If I were the villain I dont think I will have Kx often enough for hero to calldown profitably.
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#18
09-24-2007, 11:04 AM
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Re: KJ facing turn donk
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think youre drawing dead here very often. That said, I seldom fold. [/ QUOTE ] I play alot against you Mntbikr, and I know one thing...If you bet the turn in that spot Joop should fold cuz he will be drawing dead every time. If I bet the turn in that spot Joop should fold also. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think so, Westley. If I'm the BB, and I know you're a thinknig player, I also know that you might be Iso-raising a bunch of hands on this flop. Hands as poor as AQ. Why? because the big fish just gave you a big gift. So I come up with this wild and crazy plan of calling two with my KT and then betting a non-ace turn. The turn comes and it isn't an ace, so I bet. I know you're not going to bet anymore, and I need to protect my king. [/ QUOTE ] That is quite a story. Yeah it could happen but you raised pre, raised flop and now this guy leads the field and it's overcalled and the scenario you find to make a call is that you one pip him? Fold.
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#19
09-24-2007, 11:30 AM
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Re: KJ facing turn donk
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think youre drawing dead here very often. That said, I seldom fold. [/ QUOTE ] I play alot against you Mntbikr, and I know one thing...If you bet the turn in that spot Joop should fold cuz he will be drawing dead every time. If I bet the turn in that spot Joop should fold also. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think so, Westley. If I'm the BB, and I know you're a thinknig player, I also know that you might be Iso-raising a bunch of hands on this flop. Hands as poor as AQ. Why? because the big fish just gave you a big gift. So I come up with this wild and crazy plan of calling two with my KT and then betting a non-ace turn. The turn comes and it isn't an ace, so I bet. I know you're not going to bet anymore, and I need to protect my king. [/ QUOTE ] I am prepared to accept that you might do this, but I think your coldcall is a flush draw or set at least ten times as often.
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