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Old 08-27-2007, 10:26 PM
Choparno Choparno is offline
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Default AQs line check

Villain UTG was 16/11. If it's folded to me, I think I just fold. But after the BTN calls I decide it's worth a squeeze. Should we ever be squeezing a 16/11 UTG raiser with AQ? Should I just see a flop and take it from there instead?

Any comments on postflop also appreciated.

$2/$4 NL
6 players
CO: $470
BTN: $530
SB: $185
Hero (BB): $475
UTG: $398
MP: $456

Pre-flop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $16, 2 folds, BTN calls $16, 1 fold, Hero raises to $64, UTG calls, BTN calls.

Flop ($194): 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN checks.

Turn ($194): 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero bets $100, UTG calls $100, BTN folds.

River ($394): 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero all in $311...
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Old 08-27-2007, 10:31 PM
Unknown Soldier Unknown Soldier is offline
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Default Re: AQs line check

whats a 16/11 utg raising range? (not rhetorical)

how does btn play?

river is a c/f as played
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Old 08-27-2007, 10:34 PM
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Default Re: AQs line check

1.)normally, its his entire pf range
2.)btn is obv a donk

how the [censored] is it a c/f
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Old 08-27-2007, 10:36 PM
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Default Re: AQs line check

checkfold
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Old 08-27-2007, 10:39 PM
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Default Re: AQs line check

ike: what do you mean his entire pf range? you are saying that he raises the same hands utg as he does otb?

as for the river c/f, i think it's pretty obvious utg has us beat, his calling range for this 3b is sooo tight. He could have QQ a small amount of the time i guess, but will fold anyway or he has AA/KK/AK. what else could he possible have here? Certainly not AJ.

Educate me otherwise if you think I'm way off!



I know btn is pretty bad, but in what way? that's what i meant.
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Old 08-27-2007, 10:40 PM
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Default Re: AQs line check

yeah c/f is good, this is not the place to do this
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Old 08-27-2007, 10:40 PM
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C/f river?
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Old 08-27-2007, 11:37 PM
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Default Re: AQs line check

I think PF is not so bad as long as you feel you can play well postflop against the villain or button. AQs is ahead of his range even if he's raising 9% of his hands UTG. And wow, folding AQs to an open raise UTG(@6max) is so weak/tight.

The rest of the hand depends on how the villain reacts to 3-bets. Assuming you don't know this. I would play the flop the same way, turn the same way, but would never play the river this way here.

Check/Fold seems ok I guess, but I think I might go for a Block Bet of around 120/fold. If you check to him he could easily shove AQ or AJ here(Again it depends on if this is in his 3-bet call range). If he's not too tricky I like Bet/Folding here.
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Old 08-28-2007, 12:09 AM
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Default Re: AQs line check

If you have a read the UTG is super nitlike then I have no problem just calling from the BB. Just make sure you remember what you are playing for.
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Old 08-28-2007, 12:26 AM
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Default Re: AQs line check

What hands that you beat will call when you push on this river? None.

I don't see him showing up at the river with AJ or AT given all the action.

I think c/c the river gives him a chance to bluff with worse hands enough that c/c is better than push.

I think his cold call on the pot-committing turn with BTN still to act behind him spells trouble for you. He doesn't care that BTN might raise - or even that BTN might call with decent odds to draw. It's as if he's so strong that he wants BTN to come along for the ride. In fact, his flop check and turn call seems very strong given his bad position between you and the BTN. You might even be able to c/f the river if your read is that he'd only cold call you on the turn with AK or KK or AA. On the other hand, if you think he calls the turn with a lot worse in order to steal on the river when and if you check, then c/c the river is best.

Pushing the river here seems bad since worse hands fold, and better hands call.

In fact, reraising preflop seems bad too. You are in bad position against a very tight player who open raised UTG while you hold nothing but a potentially dominated ace. You could probably fold prelfop.

I suppose you might even call preflop since you have good relative position with BTN in the hand.

But unless you really think AQs is much better than UTG's opening raise range from that position (and BTNs calling range), then fold preflop > call with good relative position > 3-bet OOP in a multi-way pot with AQs. I think UTG's stats indicate he's tight enough to make reraising preflop with AQs here a bad move.
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