Is there any line other than a push here? AA in mid-stages of 20+2

[willw9]

Full Tilt Poker Game #1367769479: $20 + $2 Tournament (9333414), Table 4 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:23:17 ET - 2006/12/07
Seat 1: MLNewsom (4,270)
Seat 2: Wichita Jack (3,320)
Seat 3: Davei (5,890)
Seat 4: aerobat (13,210)
Seat 5: argust (3,555)
Seat 6: RickHeld (14,310)
Seat 7: willw9 (4,435)
Seat 8: bartman35 (2,350)
Seat 9: mrtripps (4,620)
Davei posts the small blind of 80
aerobat posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to willw9 [Ac Ah]
RickHeld: lol yep
argust folds
RickHeld folds
willw9 raises to 480
bartman35 has 15 seconds left to act
Wichita Jack: The jackass cracked my aces with 10 7
bartman35 is sitting out
bartman35 has timed out
bartman35 folds
mrtripps folds
MLNewsom folds
Wichita Jack folds
Davei calls 400
aerobat folds
*** FLOP *** [2d 7c 3h]
Davei bets 480
RickHeld: all luck blamk
willw9 raises to 1,600
Davei calls 1,120
*** TURN *** [2d 7c 3h] [6h]
Davei checks

willw9...

Villain is your standard donk, overvaluing suited connectors and pocket pairs. He has not proven to be too reckless, but is definetely not a highly skilled player. I only ask this question because I thought a set was a strong possibility.

[DesperateMath]

Yeah push.

[HerbieGRD]

Seems like a pretty easy push - a set is possible but so is a smaller overpair/top pair type hand that your standard donk is not laying down on this board

[RichC.]

I like what Herbie said. Also. You could just call the flop as this will induce a turn bet by villian more often than a raise will. Its a just an alternate line to think about. It can also mask the true strength of your hand.

Actually, I changed my mind, I hate a push here, i dont know why yet, but it just feels wrong. Check/calling feels good. Allows for better pot control and you can always jam the river. If you feel a set is possible, a check is more right than a push. Just because you have AA doesnt mean you have to go broke here, although most players will and there is no shame in that.

[DesperateMath]

Well the raise on the turn will be, what, 1900? 2100? You only have 2300 left, so any call is going to be a reraise all in, and so if I'm calling off all my chips, I gonna be pushing instead, because at least I put all my chips into the pot instead of calling them all off.

[RichC.]

my raise depends on how much villian bets out. so if it is half my stack, then yes, a push is fine as a reraise.

[HerbieGRD]

Well villain has already checked the turn so you would just be exercising some pot control by checking behind and calling river although villain might push river anyways. The downside of that is that with a 7 being the highest card on the board there are a lot of cards that would kill your action against hands you beat that he will call a push with now and only 2 aces will help you suck out on a set although you have some more hidden outs against 2 pair hands. If we plan on seeing showdown pretty much no matter what here I think a push is more +ev than check/call river - I would only check if I was planning on folding to a river push by villain on some/most rivers and I don't think that is good here

[RichC.]

Trust me, i always look for ways to get it all in with AA, esp PF. If you look back though, hero thinks he might be getting trapped by a set, and its a sick feeling to have, but you can slow down here and try to get to a cheap showdown if this is the case. Its ok to slow down if you think you are being trapped, even when you have AA. This is a hard lesson that only experience will teach.

[HerbieGRD]

As long as hero "felt" that at the time and not just after his push was instacalled by a set I agree this is fine and important to be able to do I just don't like it as a default line against a "standard donk" on boards like this because I think we would miss lots of value playing our big pairs scared of sets on baby boards.

[shaundeeb]

That's a great flop to call a lead. Because 90% of flop leads are bet/folds so call and let him keep firing. It's a super dry board he never has 2pair so it's set or 1pair and a lot of times when you raise flop 1pair folds sets call. So call and let him keep betting to prevent you from hitting your overs.