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Old 07-25-2007, 12:24 AM
SABR42 SABR42 is offline
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Default 200 NL, KK in a sick spot, 200+ BB deep.

I had sat down fairly recently, so I don't have strong reads. Villain already had his big stack when I came to the table, so I don't know how he got it. He seemed kinda loose-passive, but I have not seen him get out of line postflop.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 7 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $443.60
BB: $200.00
UTG: $198.35
UTG+1: $425.70
MP: $503.25
CO: $246.15
BTN: $274.40

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $8.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $26.00</font>, BB folds, MP calls $18.00

Flop: ($54) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $35.00</font>, MP calls $35.00

Turn: ($124) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero?

Also, plan for the river?
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Old 07-25-2007, 01:17 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL, KK in a sick spot, 200+ BB deep.

I think without strong reads, I can be comfy with c/c the turn and river.
WA/WB situation. If he checked the turn, id go ahead and value bet the river. Id even be inclined to call a med. size raise, but not an all in. Id think youll see TT-QQ here alot, and sometimes youll be beat as well.
This is without reads.
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Old 07-25-2007, 01:22 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL, KK in a sick spot, 200+ BB deep.

since you're OOP and deep you should make a raise that doesn't give him good implied odds and negates the positional disadvantage. Reraising preflop to around $65 is probably best.
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Old 07-25-2007, 01:24 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL, KK in a sick spot, 200+ BB deep.

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Reraising preflop to around $65 is probably best.

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Umm LOL?

That just makes him fold nearly everything.

I can agree with making it a little bigger (say $35) but $65... wow, no.
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Old 07-25-2007, 01:28 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL, KK in a sick spot, 200+ BB deep.

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That just makes him fold nearly everything.

[/ QUOTE ]Does that really matter? Being 200bb deep and against an unknown you're not winning this pot very often postflop and you're not going to be able to put him on a range of hands because he'd call any 2 that you'd reraise with because of the stacks and he has position.
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Old 07-25-2007, 01:32 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL, KK in a sick spot, 200+ BB deep.

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That just makes him fold nearly everything.

[/ QUOTE ]Does that really matter? Being 200bb deep and against an unknown you're not winning this pot very often postflop and you're not going to be able to put him on a range of hands because he'd call any 2 that you'd reraise with because of the stacks and he has position.

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Hey let's turn KK into 32o and win 10 bucks pre-flop! If you just want to take it down pre-flop why do you need KK?

You have to be kidding about not winning at showdown very often.
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Old 07-25-2007, 01:32 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL, KK in a sick spot, 200+ BB deep.

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Being 200bb deep and against an unknown you're not winning this pot very often postflop

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????
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Old 07-25-2007, 01:33 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL, KK in a sick spot, 200+ BB deep.

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You have to be kidding about not winning at showdown very often.

[/ QUOTE ]i'm saying you'll fold it before showdown often.
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Old 07-25-2007, 01:35 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL, KK in a sick spot, 200+ BB deep.

Yes, it does matter. Raising that much pre is a horrible idea.

So he folds every hand you have beat, knows you have AA/KK, does not incorrectly draw to any sets, and you win 8 bucks?

If there are actually any PRO's to raising to 65 preflop, please tell me what they are.
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Old 07-25-2007, 01:35 AM
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Default Re: 200 NL, KK in a sick spot, 200+ BB deep.

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Being 200bb deep and against an unknown you're not winning this pot very often postflop

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?!?!?!?


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