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Old 10-15-2007, 06:13 AM
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Default Re: 50nl - AA villian shoves river

If we're going to check the turn for pot control, how about a check-call on the river as well. Chances are we can see a much cheaper showdown that way?
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Old 10-15-2007, 06:14 AM
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Default Re: 50nl - AA villian shoves river

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If we're going to check the turn for pot control, how about a check-call on the river as well. Chances are we can see a much cheaper showdown that way?

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Where is the value?
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Old 10-15-2007, 06:17 AM
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Default Re: 50nl - AA villian shoves river

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If we're going to check the turn for pot control, how about a check-call on the river as well. Chances are we can see a much cheaper showdown that way?

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This is a great spot with AA in a rr pot. We do not want to see a cheap sd damnit.
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Old 10-15-2007, 06:20 AM
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Default Re: 50nl - AA villian shoves river

lol. Lemme try again. I assumed that's why OP checked the turn so as played, is a river check/call not better. Otherwise why check the turn here?
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Old 10-15-2007, 06:27 AM
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Default Re: 50nl - AA villian shoves river

so checking the turn and calling river are both horrible?
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Old 10-15-2007, 06:28 AM
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Default Re: 50nl - AA villian shoves river

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lol. Lemme try again. I assumed that's why OP checked the turn so as played, is a river check/call not better. Otherwise why check the turn here?

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You're basically saying that because we make a bad turn play we should follow up with a retarded river line just to make the line congruent.
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Old 10-15-2007, 06:32 AM
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Default Re: 50nl - AA villian shoves river

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so checking the turn and calling river are both horrible?

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Calling the river is not horrible. Not betting the turn is.

Problem with calling the river is if he checks the turn for pot control with Jx/QQ he's not going to push the river. He could check the turn with KK/QQ to extract an extra bet on the river from you and then push hoping you'll pay off with Jx/QQ though.

Given that villain is aggressive, you've under repped your hand, you're getting good odds and there's twice as many KK/QQ combos as JJ/TT calling is definately ok anyhow, and it's what I'd do.
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Old 10-15-2007, 06:38 AM
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Default Re: 50nl - AA villian shoves river

I was villian in this btw. I just wanted to check that my river shove wasn't a total spew. Yes..it was a bluff.

I had him on some garbage hand/bluff that couldn't stand any heat after he checked the turn.
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Old 10-15-2007, 07:11 AM
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Default Re: 50nl - AA villian shoves river

the problem with this bluff is that you're representing an incredibly small range of hands (JJ and TT), both of which are very unlikely and both of which bet this turn imo. if i had AA in this river spot i'd call because your line doesn't make much sense. if you put him on basically air himself then it's fine but i don't love it overall.
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Old 10-15-2007, 07:24 AM
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Default Re: 50nl - AA villian shoves river

I agree.. I'd call with AA there.. what are you representing, some random 5 or TT/JJ that went for a stack-a-donk and whiffed?
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