An Ax spot I get wrong

Burnsabre · #1 10-05-2007, 06:52 AM

Villain is a 30/20 TAG. Do I see showdowns on these?

Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
4 players
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Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero raises, Button folds, SB 3-bets, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6SB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

How bout on a board thats a little more drawy (same sort of TAG)

Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
4 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (10SB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero?

sharpie · #2 10-05-2007, 06:54 AM

Both are very standard.

mattnxtc · #3 10-05-2007, 08:57 AM

I hate being in hand one b/c I feel like when he 3 barrels oop that we are beat, but I dont think I ever fold this.

Wolfram · #4 10-05-2007, 09:33 AM

Please note, calling down in these spots and losing does not equal being wrong.

mattnxtc · #5 10-05-2007, 09:47 AM

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Please note, calling down in these spots and losing does not equal being wrong.

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I dont necessary think its wrong...I guess I feel like especially against a sb raise from a tag that we are in trouble a lot here and it is a lot closer than against some other people.

Wolfram · #6 10-05-2007, 09:58 AM

mattnxtc,
I was responding to OP's thread title, but I get your point.

Btw, since when did 30/20 become a TAG?

timoK · #7 10-05-2007, 10:07 AM

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Btw, since when did 30/20 become a TAG?

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since supernova milestone race in 2007

Absolution · #8 10-05-2007, 10:15 AM

Hand 1: I'd prefer raising somewhere or fold the river. With the line you take you basically get value bet or screw played every time (at least if I'm the SB.) On this board you know you're done if he plays back at you, so I would probably just raise the flop. I think WA/WB lines let your good opponents play perfect poker against you most of the time. If he can 3-barrel here with an underpair and is unobservant, then your line is optimal.

Hand 2: 4 handed poker is a strange thing. If this situation came up in 6-max I would be folding. This is not the type of hand I like to 3-bet with, specifically because of what happened in this hand. I'm folding the river in this one as well unless I have a reason to think he's spewy or my image isn't good.

Gurravasa · #9 10-05-2007, 11:45 AM

perfect play against TAG:s. Raising will only fold their bluffs or weak hands and allow them to 3-bet strong ones.

milesdyson · #10 10-05-2007, 07:41 PM

"Raising will only fold their bluffs or weak hands and allow them to 3-bet strong ones"

sb in hand 2 does not fold tt-kk postflop. the only ax hands he coldcaps are like ak aq maybe ajs. if he will 3bet those and let us fold turn or river ui then it's an easy flop raise.