Double Barrel Float

[wslee00]

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why are we betting the turn....

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if you're asking that question - you should be asking why we called the flop to begin with

I think once we call the flop, betting the turn is mandatory

[wslee00]

If you're going to call that type of flop, and then bet the turn when the flush comes, you better continue on the river.

I would say ~80

[terp]

i've never tried floating this type of opponent on this board + this turn, but arguments that betting this or that turn is "bad" are fairly dumb.

most of us can agree that raising preflop with small connectors and such is -ev as measured in sklansky bucks, but we counter that by having a balanced range and by applying aggression on future streets. the basic gist of that idea: errors on one street are recoverable on later streets. that the bet sizing grows substantially on later streets partly aids this.

here, we bet turn because it will often succeed (i imagine) and if not, we maintain the possibility of running a river bluff (which we need to assume will be at least partially +ev AND commit to doing it nonzero% if we decide the turn bluff is even slightly -ev).

[Some9]

this hand is fine. check river. imo.

[Requin]

If you bet the turn you'd better be betting the river. What does 'double barrel' mean, is that saying you should do it to him or that he does it alot?

[jk3a]

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If you bet the turn you'd better be betting the river. What does 'double barrel' mean, is that saying you should do it to him or that he does it alot?

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that means it works alot on him, i.e. he peels the flop pretty light

[sh58]

i think if you are gonna pull a move; a flop raise, then betting scarecards or cards you hit on the turn is better than a float on this board.

by raising you force him to fold all non Ax hands pretty much, whilst setting it up so that you can get him to fold an A if a good card hits.

not saying i would try it here, but it is better than a float imo.

[SootedPower]

I don't think you can float this board profitablly if you aren't going to rep a draw when it hits on the turn. The king is like THE perfect card. It completed the double gutter and the flush.

I mean, on the river, he either has to put you on a massive bluff or a made draw. He may spite call w/ a set, but I don't think he's calling a river shove w/ two pair. I think you fold a lot of his range, and this is a particularly great float bc a lot of times he calls the turn and folds the river, so you actually get a fair chunk of him and still get a fold.

[Noam Chomsky]

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why are we betting the turn....

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to make our river shove more credible.

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Imo that isn't a good enough reason to bet this turn.

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Fair enough, how about because the nitty guy, in checking the turn has defined his hand as one pair or less. If he has ‘less’ we bet simultaneously for protection and as a bluff against those one pairs that aren’t tp but are bigger than our pair.

If he c/c he further defines his hand as top pair-ish hands that are generally uncomfortable stacking off here to a turn bet/river shove combo.

[Requin]

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If you bet the turn you'd better be betting the river. What does 'double barrel' mean, is that saying you should do it to him or that he does it alot?

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that means it works alot on him, i.e. he peels the flop pretty light

[/ QUOTE ]In that case I think a 3 barrel is ok here, more likely that he's peeling with pair + draw.