Why are so many college students far-left liberals or socialists?

[SBR]

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I think it would be news to the professors that they are pawns in a great statist conspiracy. As others have said, they are some of the most independent, creative and thoughtful people in our society.

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There's no questioning that education majors come from the lowest performing cohort of college grads, lowest SATs, low GPAs.

Those that can't, teach.

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This is complete and utter bs. I know its hard to understand (well actually it isn't) but some people actually like to do the following on a day to day basis:

- pass on knowledge, experience and expertise to other people
- do advanced self directed research with like minded people
- not do mindless repetitive tasks over and over again

Of course you think most university profs were education majors so you clearly have no clue what actually goes on at university.

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Another Ed major heard from.

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I'm smarter and better looking than you.

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It's painfully easy to prove me wrong here. Find a breakout of college majors sorted on SATs and you're there.

You won't because I'm correct.

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It's beautiful, because he doesn't have to. He thinks he's correct. You're the one who has to prove your statement to him. I don't know which of you is correct because neither of you has given anything factual. Only your opinion. I love politics. [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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Breaking precedent, I've blown 2 minutes googling this. Ed majors beat out Vocational, Home Ec and Public Affairs and that's about it.

SAT by major

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I can't believe you so completely miss the point. I'm am not a education major, I'm a cs/business major going to law school in a year. I have never, in 4 years of university been taught by an education major. A few, FEW of my friends in Arts may have. You just brought up stats that are meaningless. Do you really think a professor teaching a subject like artificial intelligence was an education major?

My complete and utter BS was related to the comment that "those who can't teach".

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Note that my original comment was general in nature and you assumed statements not in evidence.

Also note that maybe 85 - 90% of the educating in America is done by Ed majors and they're the bottom of the barrel.

Further note that a PHD carries no guarantee of high teaching quality.

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You were directly responding to a quote that referenced professors. Elementary and high school teachers are not professors. And of course a PHD doesn't indicate teaching quality however you never made any statement about the quality of teachers rather you commented that "those who can't teach" implying that those who can't succeed in the business world become professors. I explained why this isn't true. I'm done with this anyway, you clearly have no understanding of what you're commenting on and just want to clutter up the forum with useless posts. Have a nice life.

[NeBlis]

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Where do you guys get that Earth Day celebrations center around industry bashing?

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ROTFL !! Have you ever been to an Earth Day festival ? If so were you awake ? Its like a freakin pep rally for the Communist Party of America.

[jogger08152]

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It's like getting a lecture on sexual ethics from a child-molester.

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No, it is not like that at all. An ACist living in a society with a government is being forced to live with a government. That's the whole point - they want the option to opt out. A child molester is not asking you to stop forcing him to molest children.

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Omitting the possibility of actually creating ACland someplace (except ShakeZula I think, who posted a good - but rather lonely, I thought; certainly the ACist support was surprisingly lukewarm - suggestion of doing just that), there's a huge difference between being victimized by government and electing to victimize others.

ACists talk about how they dislike coersion - but every time I ask one whether he actually personally chooses to avoid force, I get evasions, accusations, and mudslinging. ("Yeah jogger, I went to state school, but you MADE me!")

Conscientious objectors opt not to carry weapons in the military; no such walking the walk/talking the talk from ACists, though: they not only hold the gun of government, but point it at their fellow "victim" and extract his currency for their own gain. I can deal with that, I guess, but I do wish they'd forgo the sermonizing and lamenting about their own "victimhood" along the way.

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It's like getting a lecture on sexual ethics from a child-molester.

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No, it is not like that at all. An ACist living in a society with a government is being forced to live with a government. That's the whole point - they want the option to opt out. A child molester is not asking you to stop forcing him to molest children.

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But jogger thinks ACists should be forced to pay for gov't services, like it or not, then if they use any of what they paid for (monopolized road system surrounding your property for instance, he said so) then you're a hypocrite. This is worse then STFU or GTFO, this is you will participate and you will LIKE IT.

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But in the next thread, he'll go on and on about how you can "change the system if you 'really' want to".

The guy who gets stabbed could stop the stabbing if he really wants to. Since he doesn't, he's tacitly consenting. Any resistance he puts up that is less than enough to stop the stabbing is just a big hypocritical ruse dragging down the efficency of the status quo stabbing system.

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What resistance PVN? What have *you* personally done, other than talk? I'm not talking about fighting, of course, but there are certainly other things you can do. You clearly believe in the market; I assume, therefore, that you understand that the impact of demand for any product, including government service, is inevitably an increased production of that good or service.

In your life, have you ever, even once, said "no" when the government offered you a subsidy? EG, did you get a grant for school and decide not to take it, because you knew you'd be depriving others of their hard-earned money? Did you elect to go to (or at least ask your parents to send you to) private school at any point, K-16+, in order to reduce the demand for government education subsidies? Do you grow any of your own food, in order to avoid the subsidized government-agribusiness complex?

Or do you just take and take and take, always increasing the demand for government services, while all the while exhorting others not to? In short, do you actually do anything? This is not a troll, btw, it's simply a question whose answer interests me.

[bills217]

This far into this thread and no one has pointed out that many "state schools" are funded overwhelmingly privately? The University of Michigan is funded 89% privately.

(I went to a state school on a full scholarship, which was funded 100% by athletics revenue.)

[NeBlis]

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I went to a state school on a full scholarship, which was funded 100% by athletics revenue

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100% !!! HOLY JEEBUS !! Socialism, chrisianity, beastiality, all of these freakjob ideas I can wrap my head around. But why the [censored] anyone would pay good money to watch sports, much less college sports just blows my mind. How is this even possible?

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Actually I just want you to admit that ACists who accept (HUGE) subsidies at the expense of 80%+ of the rest of the population are hypocrites. As I think about it, I'd also like it if you'd admit that ACists who work for government institutions are an even more serious breed of hypocrite.

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Why do you care so much about whether or not we are hypocrites? How individual ACists get along in the current system is irrelevant to whether or not taxation is moral. You cant even call us a hypocrite until you've accepted the premise that taxation is immoral. Otherwise why even bother?

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This is simply incorrect. If *you* accept the premise that taxation is immoral, *you* ought to be doing everything you can to reduce demand for it. When you preach one thing and do the opposite, you are a hypocrite. I sure as hell don't have to believe in your nonsense in order to point your hypocrisy out.

As to why I care, simply put, one of the most important indicators that someone believes his own line, is that he lives it. One of the things that lends strength to the conclusion that AC is crap, is that you guys don't actually attempt to live it. (Again, possible exception: ShakeZula.) Mother Theresa may have been wrong - perhaps Jesus was a fraud - but it sure seems like she actually believed what she said she believed. I see no such indication with you guys though.

[jogger08152]

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Right...do you think totalling everything you paid taxes on through your 18th birthday you were even close to 56k in taxes (let alone the share the goes to university funding)?

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Hmm, you're still not getting it. I didn't consume $56,000 worth of college by my 18th birthday. I was still a senior in high school on my 18th birthday. And as I showed you, it was considerably less than $56k over four years for my school. Perhaps you should ask me if I will have paid $32,000 in taxes by my 23rd birthday. That would make a lot more sense.

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Okay. Did you?

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Hmm, no response. How surprising.

[Dane S]

It has nothing to do with what you use. It's about what you're forced to pay for.

[pvn]

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In your life, have you ever, even once, said "no" when the government offered you a subsidy?

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Yes. There are all sorts of government handouts that I have not accepted.

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EG, did you get a grant for school and decide not to take it, because you knew you'd be depriving others of their hard-earned money? Did you elect to go to (or at least ask your parents to send you to) private school at any point, K-16+, in order to reduce the demand for government education subsidies?

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Hahaha. This old canard again. Of course, my parents paid for my (private!!!) education up to and including high school. OMG, I FREE RODE!!!

As for college, well, I got some federally subsidized loans. Had I had the option of not paying taxes later, I would have gladly declined the subsidy, even then, when I wasn't a full-blown anti-statist. Of course, this entire line, like all of jogger's off-topic rambles, is totally bogus; does the fact that I once thought the state was a legitimate institution and took advantage of something it offered *forever* obligate me, morally, to such a system? Once you're in, you're chained to it for life?

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Do you grow any of your own food, in order to avoid the subsidized government-agribusiness complex?

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As a matter of fact, I do. I have a passion for muscadines, and I have a fairly sophisticated collection in my vineyard.

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Or do you just take and take and take, always increasing the demand for government services, while all the while exhorting others not to?

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This is a distortion of "increasing demand". An intellectually dishonest one, at that. Is the starving slave who eats the moldy crust of bread because he is denied all other options "increasing demand" for moldy crusts of bread? More of the same "blame the victim" rhetorical games.

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In short, do you actually do anything? This is not a troll, btw, it's simply a question whose answer interests me.

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