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Old 08-16-2007, 09:40 PM
tcorbin16 tcorbin16 is offline
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Default zomg 4 bet pot bluff ai!

villian is semi-lag, my image should be lag. i have a note saying that he 3 bets light. button is a 2 + 2'er so villian may be thinking that i am 3 betting light here therefor 4 ballnig light.

based on his bet sizing i really dont think he has AK here so that leaves only AK and maybe random AJ a10 hands that he may have 4 bet me with.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $5/$10 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $1,419.00
BB: $1,932.00
UTG: $970.00
CO: $1,556.00
BTN: $2,547.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $30.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $125.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $315.00</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $190.00

Flop: ($660) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $300.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $1,104.00</font>,

soooo thoughts?
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Old 08-16-2007, 09:42 PM
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Default Re: zomg 4 bet pot bluff ai!

i think you can c/c and accomplish the same thing.
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Old 08-16-2007, 09:47 PM
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Default Re: zomg 4 bet pot bluff ai!

how? if i c/c then it checks down i can lose to QQ KK**
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Old 08-16-2007, 09:52 PM
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Default Re: zomg 4 bet pot bluff ai!

dont think he has KK/QQ when he bets flop..
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Old 08-16-2007, 10:00 PM
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Default Re: zomg 4 bet pot bluff ai!

yeah this is retarded imo
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Old 08-16-2007, 10:02 PM
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Default Re: zomg 4 bet pot bluff ai!

I like it, does AJ ever call here? Ax? If he 4balls light with Ax, this is perfect.
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Old 08-17-2007, 02:11 AM
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Default Re: zomg 4 bet pot bluff ai!

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dont think he has KK/QQ when he bets flop..

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I disagree. A lot of villains w/ KK when an ace flops will still bet under the thinking of "omg, a GD ace flopped, but [censored] I can't check and show weakness b/c then he may bluff me off the best hand on the turn/river w/ big bets. Ok, i'll be half pot."

That being said I usually turbo-muck this pf. If you truly think he be 4-balling light, then shove it in pf. Flat-calling is pretty bad - you are putting a ton of money into the pot, you are oop, and overs are likely to hit anyway. I mean even if the flop comes 9 high, you check and he shoves - are you thrilled to be calling?

As played, I think the shove is not great. OP stated at the outset that he felt the BB could've been 4-betting w/ something like AJ - and he's ain't folding that on the flop. However, if your read was that his weak flop bet was KK/QQ, then obviousy the shove is sexy...I just don't see how you know what the flop bet can't be an ace. I would need a really sharp read on villain b4 I pulled this move.
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Old 08-17-2007, 02:13 AM
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Default Re: zomg 4 bet pot bluff ai!

i could have AK here if that makes any diff although villian prob doesnt know that. i could also have AA??? i dont see why that isnt in my range? actually prob wouldnt shove AA there now that i think about it but blah.

alot of what irish said is what i was thinking.
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Old 08-17-2007, 05:08 AM
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Default Re: zomg 4 bet pot bluff ai!

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dont think he has KK/QQ when he bets flop..

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Yea I'm pretty sure this flop bet is either an A or air, so I don't like this, and I don't think he's folding any A here that he's betting on the flop with.
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Old 08-17-2007, 05:12 AM
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Default Re: zomg 4 bet pot bluff ai!

why would an A bet the flop? what hands is Ax gettin value from?
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