Straddling before the cards are dealt

[Meraxes]

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It's not a "rake", it's a "drop". We're not allowed to have an interest in the size of the pot.

Some rooms in the Bay Area still only have $4 drop, and still only if there's a flop.

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Man, do I play in the only California cardroom that only has a $3 drop (and no jp drop?)

[MicroBob]

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It's not a "rake", it's a "drop". We're not allowed to have an interest in the size of the pot.

Some rooms in the Bay Area still only have $4 drop, and still only if there's a flop.

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I was assuming that the reference to the $5 drop was including some sort of BBJ.
Are you saying that some games in Calif now have a straight $5 drop? Do these games also take $1 more for a BBJ?

[AngusThermopyle]

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It is my understanding that once the dealer starts to shuffle the hand has started.

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Wrong. That is often the definition of when the previous hand stops (for correcting errors) or, in tournaments, when the blinds increase.

[AngusThermopyle]

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Are you saying that some games in Calif now have a straight $5 drop?

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San Jose (Bay101 and Garden City) have straight $5 drop on the spread limit games ( chop = $1 drop but any action, even with no flop, drops full $5 ).
Bay101 Omaha8 has $5 drop. Garden City just re-introduced 6/12 Omaha8 with $6 drop.
No jackpot drop.

[RR]

quick reply: This stuff rarely (if ever) comes up in real life. I would say if someone has acted on your blind or straddle it is too late to remove it. Example: you post your big blind and next player straddles, I would say it is too late to take the blind down. Same in a place that allows someone to restraddle I would say if they restraddle it is too late to remove the straddle. I can't remeber this ever being an issue. If someone wanted to take it down to leave I would most likely allow that, but if someone posts their blind and suddnely needs to go to the bathroom when their blind is straddled it is a little late to not post.

[52s]

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Bay101 20/40:

SB posts, BB posts her blind and says "we chop, we chop!" because Bay101 only drops $1 if folded to the blinds and they chop (instead of the normal $5 drop).

I jokingly stick out a live straddle when she says this and then take it back before the dealer deals the cards.

As I take it back, a nit who should mind his own business says it has to stay because it was my action (even though the cards haven't been dealt).


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[Spiffysean]

See, most of the rooms that I've played in that will allow a straddle count up until the first card is pitched as non-binding. However, I think it's very bad form and poker etiquette to even attempt to pull back a straddle - especially when there is a re-straddle and your decision will affect the rest of the table.

If you don't want to straddle - Don't. It's your decision, and your action. If you start throwing bets out there and taking them back, people are going to think you a nit, and worse.

And if casinos are charging a rake or drop for a pot that is chopped down to the blinds (IE No action at all) then you should find somewhere better to play. A lot of places auto-chop if it gets down to the blinds in a ring game.

[52s]

Re-straddles, AFAIK, aren't allowed anywhere in Vegas.

A person can post a dead min-raise after the straddle, but... who would do that.

[Spiffysean]

Canadian rooms (Fallsview, Casino Niagara) as well as WV poker rooms (Wheeling and Mountaineer) do not allow any straddles whatsoever. All action is considered a blind raise.

Boo to them!

[AngusThermopyle]

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Example: you post your big blind and next player straddles, I would say it is too late to take the blind down.

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Disagree. If I don't want to lose my BB to a straddle, I should have the right to skip the hand and post my missed blinds later.

To be consistent, if a new player posts his blind in the CO and suddenly UTG announces "Live straddle!", do you feel that the new player has to leave his post in?