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11-29-2007, 09:05 AM
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Re: The rise of the fundamentalist right in America
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I grew up in Arkansas so it's hard for me to know how long this stuff has been going on in the rest of the country. We had snake handlers and tongue talkers around all the time. When I went to the University of Arkansas in the early 80's, we used to get baked and go party at Sister Cindy's rallies on campus. Has anyone else here ever seen this woman and/or her now-husband Svengali Brother Jed on their campus? I think they stick to mainly the Midwest and South. Funny stuff. I have fond memories of the good times we had hooting it up with Cindy ranting about 'whores' and 'whoremongers'. This clip gives a bit of a taste, but you'd have to see Cindy live w/o hubby in tow to really appreciate what a hilarious whack job she is. I don't suppose this furthers the discussion of the thread any but I had a good time reminiscing about the old days being told I was going to Hell for smoking dope and fornicating. "Hey Cindy, can you point me to some of these whores? I haven't fornicated nearly as much as I'd like the past couple months." [/ QUOTE ] In the late 80s/early 90s we have brother Jed every spring at Ohio University. It has to be the same guy. It was pretty awesome (entertainment wise). He would stand on the street corner and preach and yell at women passing by about how they were dressed. 
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#2
11-29-2007, 01:25 PM
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Re: The rise of the fundamentalist right in America
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[ QUOTE ] I grew up in Arkansas so it's hard for me to know how long this stuff has been going on in the rest of the country. We had snake handlers and tongue talkers around all the time. When I went to the University of Arkansas in the early 80's, we used to get baked and go party at Sister Cindy's rallies on campus. Has anyone else here ever seen this woman and/or her now-husband Svengali Brother Jed on their campus? I think they stick to mainly the Midwest and South. Funny stuff. I have fond memories of the good times we had hooting it up with Cindy ranting about 'whores' and 'whoremongers'. This clip gives a bit of a taste, but you'd have to see Cindy live w/o hubby in tow to really appreciate what a hilarious whack job she is. I don't suppose this furthers the discussion of the thread any but I had a good time reminiscing about the old days being told I was going to Hell for smoking dope and fornicating. "Hey Cindy, can you point me to some of these whores? I haven't fornicated nearly as much as I'd like the past couple months." [/ QUOTE ] In the late 80s/early 90s we have brother Jed every spring at Ohio University. It has to be the same guy. It was pretty awesome (entertainment wise). He would stand on the street corner and preach and yell at women passing by about how they were dressed. [/ QUOTE ] He's everywhere. He made many, many appearances in Hawaii too, venomously calling any random passing female student a whore and raving in general. I remain amazed he hasn't eaten more fists, because he goes way beyond a little too far.
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#3
11-29-2007, 03:31 PM
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Re: The rise of the fundamentalist right in America
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I grew up in Arkansas so it's hard for me to know how long this stuff has been going on in the rest of the country. We had snake handlers and tongue talkers around all the time. When I went to the University of Arkansas in the early 80's, we used to get baked and go party at Sister Cindy's rallies on campus. Has anyone else here ever seen this woman and/or her now-husband Svengali Brother Jed on their campus? I think they stick to mainly the Midwest and South. Funny stuff. I have fond memories of the good times we had hooting it up with Cindy ranting about 'whores' and 'whoremongers'. This clip gives a bit of a taste, but you'd have to see Cindy live w/o hubby in tow to really appreciate what a hilarious whack job she is. I don't suppose this furthers the discussion of the thread any but I had a good time reminiscing about the old days being told I was going to Hell for smoking dope and fornicating. "Hey Cindy, can you point me to some of these whores? I haven't fornicated nearly as much as I'd like the past couple months." [/ QUOTE ] In the late 80s/early 90s we have brother Jed every spring at Ohio University. It has to be the same guy. It was pretty awesome (entertainment wise). He would stand on the street corner and preach and yell at women passing by about how they were dressed. [/ QUOTE ] He's everywhere. He made many, many appearances in Hawaii too, venomously calling any random passing female student a whore and raving in general. I remain amazed he hasn't eaten more fists, because he goes way beyond a little too far. [/ QUOTE ] Judging from some other clips I've seen now from campuses, the party atmosphere continues. Looks like it's just Jed these days, I guess Cindy is barefoot in the kitchen like a good fundie woman now. "The piiiiiiig is a per-fect symmmmmmmmbol for the University of ARK-in-saaaawwww....." *cheers* "Long ago Gawd declared the piiiiiiiig an unclean animal..." *cheers* [rant continues] 25 years later ole Jed still carries on. Bless his loony soul.
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11-29-2007, 05:44 PM
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Re: The rise of the fundamentalist right in America
Brad, JAK,
I'll give you a more thorough answer later, but I do need to get back to work. The short answer is, what are the two greatest commandments? First is "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength," and the second is, "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." Those are spelled out in no uncertain terms, and to them, all else is peripheral. The other thing I bear in mind is that, at least to me, the words of St. Paul are secondary to the words of Jesus. St. Paul was a good man, but a man just the same, and he was generally tougher on the drunkards and the fornicators et al. than Jesus was. With that all in mind, if the church is to be spreading a message that misses Christ's mark, I'd prefer they spread one that is overly permissive, accepting and loving than a message that is overwrought with hate, division, and exclusion.
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#5
11-29-2007, 06:20 PM
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Re: The rise of the fundamentalist right in America
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Brad, JAK, I'll give you a more thorough answer later, but I do need to get back to work. The short answer is, what are the two greatest commandments? First is "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength," and the second is, "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." Those are spelled out in no uncertain terms, and to them, all else is peripheral. The other thing I bear in mind is that, at least to me, the words of St. Paul are secondary to the words of Jesus. St. Paul was a good man, but a man just the same, and he was generally tougher on the drunkards and the fornicators et al. than Jesus was. With that all in mind, if the church is to be spreading a message that misses Christ's mark, I'd prefer they spread one that is overly permissive, accepting and loving than a message that is overwrought with hate, division, and exclusion. [/ QUOTE ] I look forward to it. Good discussion.
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#6
11-29-2007, 06:25 PM
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Re: The rise of the fundamentalist right in America
Speaking of the Ten Commandments. One was ended in the New Testament. Do you know which one, and do you know why? I admit that "do you know why" is a loaded question.
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#7
11-30-2007, 11:19 AM
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Re: The rise of the fundamentalist right in America
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Brad, JAK, I'll give you a more thorough answer later, but I do need to get back to work. The short answer is, what are the two greatest commandments? First is "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength," and the second is, "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." Those are spelled out in no uncertain terms, and to them, all else is peripheral. The other thing I bear in mind is that, at least to me, the words of St. Paul are secondary to the words of Jesus. St. Paul was a good man, but a man just the same, and he was generally tougher on the drunkards and the fornicators et al. than Jesus was. With that all in mind, if the church is to be spreading a message that misses Christ's mark, I'd prefer they spread one that is overly permissive, accepting and loving than a message that is overwrought with hate, division, and exclusion. [/ QUOTE ] Wookie, After sleeping on this thread overnight, there is a rebuttal to your thoughts that came to mind. While I don't totally disagree with what you are saying, I believe that the 'ugly' facts of the Bible, if you will, such as the wages of sin is death and that Hell is a real place must be studied, taught, & preached in our churches. Sadly, at times, it is not. That is exactly what Satan wants...makes his job easier. The end result is you wind up with a crop of Christians who believe there is no hell & even if there was, God is a loving God & wouldn't send anyone there. I know another poster on 2+2 who claims to be a Christian but doesn't believe that Hell is real. I have spent countless posts trying to show him he is wrong to no avail. IMO, that fear factor/hardcore truth needs to be addressed right along with the warm & fuzzy parts that everybody likes to hear. Afterall, it is part of the gospel.
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#8
11-30-2007, 11:47 AM
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Re: The rise of the fundamentalist right in America
Brad,
First, I agree. However, as I mentioned in my last post in this thread, there's a difference between teaching the scripture and enforcing the scripture, and there's a difference between teaching about Hell and threatening Hell. I don't take issue with the teachers. I take issue with the enforcers and the threateners. Second, though, I would argue that even if a church misses the mark and doesn't teach the parts of scripture about Hell, if it still gets its members to obey the two most important commandments, little is actually lost. When it comes down to it, Hell is largely irrelevant to someone who obeys the first two commandments. They certainly won't be going there, and even if they followed the two greatest commandments perfectly, they wouldn't be the ones to decide who goes there and who doesn't. Is a Christian education without any knowledge of hell incomplete? Yes, of course. Is the lack of knowledge about hell on its own a significant barrier to a relationship with God in this world or the next? No, not really.
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#9
11-30-2007, 12:29 PM
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Re: The rise of the fundamentalist right in America
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I take issue with the enforcers and the threateners. [/ QUOTE ] Mr. Wookie, I appreciate your comments and your considerate beliefs. However, is not the nature of god with respect to hell one of an enforcer and a threatener? I just thought of one response...is this negated by his leaving one simple out through jesus? -JP
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#10
11-30-2007, 01:44 PM
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Re: The rise of the fundamentalist right in America
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I know another poster on 2+2 who claims to be a Christian but doesn't believe that Hell is real. I have spent countless posts trying to show him he is wrong to no avail. [/ QUOTE ] I consider myself to be a Christian and I don't believe in Hell. I do not think that Hell needs to be taught in church. I don't think I've ever even heard it brought up at my church to be honest.
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