TPGK on a megadraw board vs a fishy

[corsakh]

I lost a ton to day, so these hands are not exactly difficult, more like for tilt detection [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Villain is a the main fish at the table. 80/10/2 or something. I absolutely destroy his range here.

No IQ poker 0.25/0.50, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

Button ($17.75)
SB SB ($53.35)
BB BB ($29.12)
UTG ($28.11)
UTG+1 <font color="#C00000">Hero ($84.93)</font>
CO <font color="#C00000">CO ($61.85)</font>

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
1 fold, Hero raises to 2.00, CO calls 2.00, 1 fold, SB calls 1.75, BB calls 1.50.

Flop (8.00) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 6.00, CO calls 6.00, 2 folds.

Turn (20.00) J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero checks, CO bets 5.00, Hero raises to 25.00, CO calls 20.00.

I timed out on this table and went for a c/r instead. I am absolutely positive he is drawing.

River (70.00) A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero checks, CO bets 9.00, Hero ?

Hokay, can we call getting 1 to 9 knowing almost every draw hit?

[youngmachetes]

you can spite call, certainly. i honestly would call, but i probably would've c/r AI on the turn. note: i didn't look at stack sizes, let me double check. yeah i dunno, it's quite an overbet. bet/3bet or bet/call i like better. and then if you get just called again, c/f that river.

[Arcturus]

Unfortunately, I think you have to, especially since he is a fish.

I think that since you did check-raise the turn, you are really committing yourself to the pot and you almost have to make the crying call here. Also, and I could be really wrong here, but if you call, you are still not justifying his improper odds call on the turn.

So, yes, I would call.

[wslee00]

if he's really a fish i just like doing a crai on the turn.

[corsakh]

Man I have $50 behind into a $25 pot.

[Abelardo]

he's fishy, I don't think I could fold for that price, once in a while you should see something you beat against this player I think, you know you charged him good at least.
And dont time out next time obv. :P

[MaltbyStu]

If you are positive he is drawing and think there is a chance he will not fold I like a turn lead of ~$12.

It gets you to the river cheaper if he calls and makes it easy to c/f when the draw hits.

[Kasane]

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Man I have $50 behind into a $25 pot.

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$30 pot

/quibble

edit: I have no idea what to do here, but on massive drawy board, if you're c'raising you're giving him 3-2 plus implied with position on river for a ton of combo draws with a $25 cr.

But I also have problems when villain doesn't bet enough on turn for me to crai reasonably when stacks are awkward. Wish I knew the answer here.

My standard would be to bet turn fairly hard rather than cr in this spot. Then I'd puke on that river.

[Abelardo]

He timed out during the turn so that's why he checked, I don't think OP was going for a CR there. Anyways analyzing and thinking it's always good.

[wslee00]

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Man I have $50 behind into a $25 pot.

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you say you crush his range - and your OP also implies that he's a calling station - so even though it's a big raise, he should call with any Q and any draw, correct? I don't think the fact that it's an overbet matters