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Old 09-02-2007, 03:02 AM
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if 77 is viable so is 44 and two pair and it becomes a pretty obvious call.

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not many ppl stick in 450bb's on the flop with 2pr. particularly not with this specific sequence of action: weak lead into a field of players, gets called in one spot, raised strong by another, yet still 3bets all-in for NEARLY 3 TIMES THE POT. this is a set or a straight 95%+ of the time.
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Old 09-02-2007, 04:41 AM
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Default Re: Venetian 5-10 Deep Set

this is why it would be cool to have a deepstacked live poker forum, because the ppl who i feel lack in live poker experience seem to be the ones most advocating a call.

ofc i could be wrong in my assessments.
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Old 09-02-2007, 04:42 AM
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also does anyone raise to like 375'ish? heros flop line seems weird.
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Old 09-02-2007, 04:43 AM
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i call this all day and im going to be double fist pumping..if he seriously played 68 this retarded then buy him a beer

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if he puts you on a set/2 pair, he could think you would call when he has a straight. not that this is a great play, but something he could be thinking.
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Old 09-02-2007, 04:54 AM
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looks like a fold, but i can definitely see myself spite calling if i feel like it. there is more to poker than EV [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].
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Old 09-02-2007, 05:43 AM
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if 77 is viable so is 44 and two pair and it becomes a pretty obvious call.

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not many ppl stick in 450bb's on the flop with 2pr. particularly not with this specific sequence of action: weak lead into a field of players, gets called in one spot, raised strong by another, yet still 3bets all-in for NEARLY 3 TIMES THE POT. this is a set or a straight 95%+ of the time.

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So what do you think he does with, say, top two? Surely you don't think he's going to fold it to my flop raise.
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Old 09-02-2007, 05:51 AM
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Default Re: Venetian 5-10 Deep Set

wait, you think pushing two pair for 450bb is the correct move?
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Old 09-02-2007, 06:03 AM
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if 77 is viable so is 44 and two pair and it becomes a pretty obvious call.

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not many ppl stick in 450bb's on the flop with 2pr. particularly not with this specific sequence of action: weak lead into a field of players, gets called in one spot, raised strong by another, yet still 3bets all-in for NEARLY 3 TIMES THE POT. this is a set or a straight 95%+ of the time.

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Pokerstove just clarified a lot for me:
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

9,900 games 0.005 secs 1,980,000 games/sec

Board: 4d 5h 7c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.929% 42.78% 01.15% 4235 114.00 { 5c5s }
Hand 1: 56.071% 54.92% 01.15% 5437 114.00 { 77, 44, 86s }

Even if we restrict his range to a set or a straight, my equity is 43.9% of 9480 = $4,162

My price to see the showdown was $4,000, so unless I'm not thinking clearly, I gained $162 in equity with that call.

Again, this assumes that he would do this with bottom set, an assumption that I am comfortable with.

It's strange: you would think that adding top and bottom set to his range would be a wash. Instead, my equity against the straight is 34.8%, but if the sets are included it is 43.9%. Any ideas why that might be?
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Old 09-02-2007, 06:08 AM
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Default Re: Venetian 5-10 Deep Set

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wait, you think pushing two pair for 450bb is the correct move?

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I don't think it's correct, but I think a lot of people would do it.

I don't think a fold is correct either. I don't think he could assume that his top two is no good just from my raise.
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Old 09-02-2007, 06:18 AM
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if 77 is viable so is 44 and two pair and it becomes a pretty obvious call.

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not many ppl stick in 450bb's on the flop with 2pr. particularly not with this specific sequence of action: weak lead into a field of players, gets called in one spot, raised strong by another, yet still 3bets all-in for NEARLY 3 TIMES THE POT. this is a set or a straight 95%+ of the time.

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So what do you think he does with, say, top two? Surely you don't think he's going to fold it to my flop raise.

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what are you talking about? he has only 2 choices, fold or shove for 3x pot?
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