10-20 QQ vs. UTG limp rr

[Lefort]

My thoughts on this hand are kind of different, mostly just because I suck at live poker.

I'm gonna go ahead and assume he rarely LRRs with JJ-...?
So we're up against KK+, or something weird like a suited connector/gapper/etc.. with this in mind, I call pf with intentions of re-evaluating things on the flop.

On the flop, I can see him making the play with AA/KK. I don't see him making this play with any of his weird garbage hands that completely miss the flop, only [censored] that you're at best 50/50 with.

So yeah, I call pf and fold the flop... which I don't think is all that unreasonable. You don't expect your opponent to open-shove 2x+ pot like this very often.

[flawless_victory]

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i think it is fair to say that if he is shoving hands that you are ahead of, they are hands that have decent equity. namely flush draws and 2 overcards.

giving him a looser shoving range acounting for some pf semibluffs:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.425% 45.85% 01.57% 83070 2850.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 52.575% 51.00% 01.57% 92400 2850.00 { QQ+, AKs, Ah2h, QhJh, AKo }

giving him a tight shoving range:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 29.539% 26.95% 02.59% 29610 2850.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 70.461% 67.87% 02.59% 74580 2850.00 { QQ+, AKs, Ah2h, QhJh }


which ranges from slightly +ev to fairly -ev. i think its a fold because of the positions preflop, and the fact that he will seriously never show up with like 56ss or any hand where you have >70% equity really.

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[jfish]

hmm, i figured he pretty much always shoved something like AKs or hearts if he got to the flop this way (given read that hero thinks his hand is face up and never KK+). do you think that is unreasonable for a live player?

[DLizzle]

what would everyone do in OP's spot with AA or KK? i would almost definitely flat call the lrr. people are saying villain wouldn't expect us to have AA/KK much but why would we raise those hands after his lrr?

[jfish]

i mean i wouldnt 4bet KK+, but op stated otherwise shrug.

[Lefort]

min4bet KK+ is kinda hot.. specially if you do it "by accident"..

[jfish]

lol how would you min4bet by accident live?

[bigt439]

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lol how would you min4bet by accident live?

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fake live misclicks are sooooo much fun... just accidentally put in a bigger chip than you should to call, dont say anything, and look really confused when the dealer tells you you just raised.

[Borned_Luckbox1]

one-chip-rule?

[soah]

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lol how would you min4bet by accident live?

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fake live misclicks are sooooo much fun... just accidentally put in a bigger chip than you should to call, dont say anything, and look really confused when the dealer tells you you just called.

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