QQ vs loose passive station

LOwrestling2001 · #1 11-14-2007, 05:04 AM

Villain is 50/0/0.33 over 182 hands or something like that, he's NEVER raised anything since i've been at the table. I c/r the flop because he wouldve folded to a cbet, so i wanted to get a little money, and it was a safe board. I bet this turn for value (or so I thought), but when he wakes up, fold is standard right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($69.80)
Hero ($113.50)
BB ($94.85)
UTG ($108.80)
MP ($9.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.50, MP folds.

Flop: ($7) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2, Hero raises to $6, UTG calls $4.

Turn: ($19) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $12.75, UTG raises to $25.5, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $44.50

orlov · #2 11-14-2007, 05:09 AM

Why do you try to c/r flop against someone with an af of 0.33 instead of just leading out yourself, he will call if hes a station as you say.

kroeliewoelie · #3 11-14-2007, 05:11 AM

Your flop play c/r isn't well sized IMO. You are almost giving him the correct odds to continue with OESD (J9). Make a decent c/r to 9-11 dollars. But personally I prefer a cbet. This guy is a calling station and will call with overcards (of which there are a lot on a T high flop), bottom pair, gutshots etc. Since you are quite deep and he's ultra passive I don;t mind folding to the turnraise. It shows a lot of strength to do this after a flop c/r.

stever1k · #4 11-14-2007, 05:54 AM

I think not c-betting here is a mistake! If he folds, its fine! You win the pot right now, if he calls, its also fine because you're ahead on this flop, and a draw should pay for the turn. If villain has a draw he may get a freecard. What will you do if a 9, J, 7 hits the turn, also A,K are cards which I do not want to see :-(

It always looks fishy when the PFA dosn't conti-bet a flop imo.

traz · #5 11-14-2007, 11:51 AM

just bet the flop

thac · #6 11-14-2007, 12:20 PM

Bet/call the flop.. cmon man, you know better than this. As played, yeah bet/fold is fine on the turn, but you butchered the hell out of this on the flop (even with your betsizing if you DID wanna cr)

Nemesis69 · #7 11-14-2007, 12:32 PM

Lead flop for 4.5 or so..

B/f turn given villian's AF.

LOwrestling2001 · #8 11-14-2007, 12:33 PM

hahaha okay i'm such a donkey =( for not bettin that flop hehe