ESPN's new show E:60 (2 thumbs down!) - Page 4

UATrewqaz · #31 10-18-2007, 03:29 PM

It must be utter hell being a knowledgable, well informed sports broadcaster, knowing you have to sit there and listen to these bubble headed "attractive" women spout utter crap and not being able to call them on any of it or you'll be demoted or fired, like YOU'RE the problem, not the ignorant [censored] they hired for no other reason than her being a [censored].

Dudd · #32 10-18-2007, 04:04 PM

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"On October 1, 2005, according to the Chicago Tribune, during a game between Notre Dame and Purdue that Franklin was calling, sideline reporter Holly Rowe lauded Purdue defensive coordinator Brock Spack for using all three timeouts on defense despite trailing by four touchdowns late in the game. "If the coaches are giving up," Rowe added, "what does that say to the players?" Franklin responded: "Holly, it's not giving up. It's 49-21, sweetheart."

In response to that, Mo Davenport, senior coordinating producer for college football said, "It was an inappropriate comment, and we've communicated that to Ron. There's never a reason to say something so mean-spirited. Ron apologized. We dealt with it internally.""

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Ron Franklin's the best.

CarlSpackler · #33 10-18-2007, 04:39 PM

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However, Nichols didn't follow up enough on how it is near impossible to follow Dr. Bob anymore and win. The lines move way too fast. The only way to win is to take the opposite side after the silly followers of Bob push the line way too far.

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Fwiw, this isn't true. While it may be impossible to get Bob's picks at a good line with online sites, I have never heard of any local books changing their lines to specifically counter Dr. Bob. Virtually all local books set their lines and send out their sheets before Bob's picks are public. It's not uncommon at all for many local books to not make any changes to their lines on Sat/Sun. Usually if there are games in question, they won't put out a # until the day of the game.

Now if a bunch of people with the same local book are consistently betting the same tout's picks heavy, and that particular tout goes on an extended heater for several weeks, then you'll see the local book move the lines against them, once he figures out which teams all the heavy action is going to be on. If moving the lines doesn't stop the bleeding, then the next move is to stop taking the players' bets, and referring them to another local book.

MCS · #34 10-18-2007, 04:53 PM

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It must be utter hell being a knowledgable, well informed sports broadcaster, knowing you have to sit there and listen to these bubble headed "attractive" women spout utter crap and not being able to call them on any of it or you'll be demoted or fired, like YOU'RE the problem, not the ignorant [censored] they hired for no other reason than her being a [censored].

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It's also your job not to be condescending or demeaning to other analysts. It was a stupid and inappropriate thing to say, made worse by the abysmal history of gender relations among sports media and fans.

Sluss · #35 10-18-2007, 05:00 PM

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It must be utter hell being a knowledgable, well informed sports broadcaster, knowing you have to sit there and listen to these bubble headed "attractive" women spout utter crap and not being able to call them on any of it or you'll be demoted or fired, like YOU'RE the problem, not the ignorant [censored] they hired for no other reason than her being a [censored].

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Whoa whoa whoa settle down for a minute.

Did you just call Holly Rowe attractive?

UATrewqaz · #36 10-18-2007, 05:02 PM

I agree, you shouldn't be condescending or demeaning to other analysts, but these fools they trot out there and hand a microphone aren't analysts and well deserve to be called out on their incompetence and lack of qualifications.

The mid 30's female tart sideline reporter is one of the worst abonimations of sports broadcasting in the last 10 years.

There's a reason they all fit this very specific mold. They can't be too young and too hot, or that would be too "obvious" to the public they are just eye candy (they think we are all MORANS apparently), but they also can't be too old or ugly or they fail their purpose.

So you get these middle aged, semi-attractive women wearing very professional outfits but way too much make up trying to disguise themselves as both serious and important broadcasters and also female fluff eye candy at the same time. They fail at both miserably.

MCS · #37 10-18-2007, 05:05 PM

She's bad, and ESPN has some people where I just don't get how they stay employed, but that's irrelevant. If you can't stay professional in the face of incompetence, then maybe you get props on 2+2, but you don't get to be a commentator for the biggest sport in America for the colossus of sports media. There were different ways for him to make his point forcefully.

NajdorfDefense · #38 10-18-2007, 05:41 PM

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This show needs more naked Rachel Nichols

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SEE HERE ESPN. HIRE THIS MAN.

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NajdorfDefense · #39 10-18-2007, 05:46 PM

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However, Nichols didn't follow up enough on how it is near impossible to follow Dr. Bob anymore and win. The lines move way too fast.

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Fwiw, this isn't true. While it may be impossible to get Bob's picks at a good line with online sites

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Yes, it is true.

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It's not uncommon at all for many local books to not make any changes to their lines on Sat/Sun.

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The picks are released on Thursday noon or so. They've moved the lines by then. I think you are confused.

Lines that only exist for 10 seconds after release, are not widely-available. Online of brick mortar.

They also demonstrated this live in Las Vegas. A subscriber walked from the back of the sports book once a key game was 'released' got in line behind 2 others, and they had already moved it a full point.

If a line moves faster than you can get in line, it's useless.

CarlSpackler · #40 10-18-2007, 06:23 PM

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However, Nichols didn't follow up enough on how it is near impossible to follow Dr. Bob anymore and win. The lines move way too fast.

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Fwiw, this isn't true. While it may be impossible to get Bob's picks at a good line with online sites

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Yes, it is true.

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It's not uncommon at all for many local books to not make any changes to their lines on Sat/Sun.

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The picks are released on Thursday noon or so. They've moved the lines by then. I think you are confused.

Lines that only exist for 10 seconds after release, are not widely-available. Online of brick mortar.

They also demonstrated this live in Las Vegas. A subscriber walked from the back of the sports book once a key game was 'released' got in line behind 2 others, and they had already moved it a full point.

If a line moves faster than you can get in line, it's useless.

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Looks like we're talking past each other. I'm not talking about the sports betting books in vegas, where I understand this is true. I'm talking about "underground" local books in every other city/college town outside of Vegas.

For example, early last week I was planning on playing OU @ -10. Dr. Bob releases them as a 4star on Thursday. One of my guy's original lines was OU -10, and it didn't change after Dr. Bob released his picks - it was still OU -10 on Saturday. Neither did the Texas Tech line, or any of his other plays.