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Old 09-06-2006, 03:19 PM
theflyingcow theflyingcow is offline
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Default TPTK on paired board

UTG is waaaaaaay loose (VPIP probably around 75% or so).
I was thinking I'm either WA/WB, but I definitely want to bet that Ace for value. The donk bet on the river confused me.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero ...

Raise or call?
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Old 09-06-2006, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: TPTK on paired board

raise/call. Your kicker still plays so you got any A except aq a8. He probably does this with pp/4x too. A long with some complete nonsense. River donks are often bs in my experience.

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I was thinking I'm either WA/WB

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nah just WA.
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Old 09-06-2006, 03:32 PM
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Default Re: TPTK on paired board

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
(Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Hero ...

Make the crying call?
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Old 09-06-2006, 03:48 PM
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Default Re: TPTK on paired board

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Make the crying call?

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I think we're screwed, but I would probably call anyway.
I just can't trust 75 VPIP guys to be rational.
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Old 09-06-2006, 03:48 PM
SnglMaltScotch SnglMaltScotch is offline
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Default Re: TPTK on paired board

I just call the river for exactly this reason. You are now forced to fold and not get to showdown.

Call first time.
Fold second time.
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Old 09-06-2006, 04:38 PM
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Default Re: TPTK on paired board

I just call. You are either going to get 3 spanked by an 8, or fold air.
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Old 09-06-2006, 05:57 PM
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Default Re: TPTK on paired board

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I just call. You are either going to get 3 spanked by an 8, or fold air, or earn another valuable bb from a weak A or pocket pair.

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Old 09-06-2006, 05:58 PM
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I usually just call this river but I'm wrong. It's a raise.
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Old 09-06-2006, 08:21 PM
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Default Re: TPTK on paired board

Cap, villain has A4
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Old 09-06-2006, 08:36 PM
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Cap, villain has A4

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lol actually I think people underestimate the how often guys like this don't have the so called "zeroth level" understanding of their hands.
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