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Old 11-11-2007, 11:02 PM
highstakesfish highstakesfish is offline
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Default Slowplayed aces oop vs Tight player

PartyPoker Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> HandRecorder

Stacks &amp; Stats
UTG (18/12/2.66/25)
Hero ($462.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#FF0000">UTG raises to $14</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls $10.

Flop: ($30) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#FF0000">UTG bets $21</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises to $80</font>, UTG calls $59.

Turn: ($190) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks.

River: ($190) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">Hero bets $158</font>, UTG calls $158.

Final Pot: $506.
Of course im 3betting this 95 % of the time preflop but now i decided to just call.

i wanted to c/rai the turn but i think now thats bad . Bet/fold is much better.

but is this a valuebet on the river as played???
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Old 11-11-2007, 11:09 PM
AllTheCheese AllTheCheese is offline
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Default Re: Slowplayed aces oop vs Tight player

wtf? What do you think he has? A Queen? His range is three Kings, boats, and draws. Why kill value from the only hands we beat?
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Old 11-11-2007, 11:16 PM
highstakesfish highstakesfish is offline
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Default Re: Slowplayed aces oop vs Tight player

so c/c or c/f river??

and if he push the flop its a call right?
turn bet/fold?
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Old 11-11-2007, 11:28 PM
AllTheCheese AllTheCheese is offline
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Default Re: Slowplayed aces oop vs Tight player

idk, really. I never play Aces like this. He's tight and raised UTG, this is insta-reraise IMO. If he pushes flop, I fold. Here's why

Board: Kh Qh 4d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.468% 61.66% 01.81% 100719 2956.50 { QQ+, 44, AKs, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah8h, KQs, JTs, Th9h, KQo }
Hand 1: 36.532% 34.72% 01.81% 56718 2956.50 { AA }

But raise-folding sucks. I prob c/c flop if I take this line with AA pre. On river, I'm not really sure. I only know that betting $158 sucks lol.
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Old 11-11-2007, 11:40 PM
Teh1337zor Teh1337zor is offline
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Default Re: Slowplayed aces oop vs Tight player

I dont think this is a good situation to flat pre as we are gonna be oop on all ensuing streets and obviously theres no chance someone squeezes behind you as you are bb
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:36 AM
Terrabon98 Terrabon98 is offline
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Default Re: Slowplayed aces oop vs Tight player

i doubt he is checking the turn very often with a hand you beat...VB on river is fine

a c/r on turn would be bad
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:44 AM
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Default Re: Slowplayed aces oop vs Tight player

This is really terrible, if you flatcall preflop this is not the flop you want to get your money in on and you probably should check check/call 3 streets, vbetting if he ever checks behind. As played, check the river and probably call if he bets.

And obviously check/raising the turn is terrible...
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Old 11-12-2007, 01:19 AM
The Velour Fog The Velour Fog is offline
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Default Re: Slowplayed aces oop vs Tight player

i dont really like the flop c/r but i do like the river value bet though. he should snap call with any Q perhaps even JJ/1010, hands he probably checks behind, since alot of draws missed

oh, and i hate preflop oop
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Old 11-12-2007, 01:21 AM
highstakesfish highstakesfish is offline
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Default Re: Slowplayed aces oop vs Tight player

but is he calling a Q on the flop after i c/r him?
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Old 11-12-2007, 01:22 AM
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Default Re: Slowplayed aces oop vs Tight player

he raised UTG and he only raises 12% of his hands prob more like 8% UTG you should 3bet 100%.

As played i dont mind river valuebet/fold looks like he either has a K a boat and has you crushed or he has something like AQ or maybe JJ. I dont think he has a draw very often and i'd rather not fold out his marginal hands by betting turn.
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