General line query for KJ/KQs OOP preflop

[CptnObvius]

Just wondering how people played KJ/KQ suited in 6max from btn/CO into an UTG/MP, TAG/Reg raiser?

Seems you can make a case for folding, calling or raising here and I'm lost on this one. Thinking at this stage, seeing as I'm lost I may as well throw them away as you can get some pretty sticky post flop positions.

Against a donk/maniac obviously a call is fine but against your basic TAG/Reg should I be folding this???? I know it's difficult to give advice without specific situation/stats/reads but would appreciate any general/anecdotal advice here.

[Pat Southern]

I'm 3 betting vs pretty much anybody. You take the pot down quite frequently preflop or with a C-bet. Furthermore even if you get action you have position, initiative, and a hand that can flop strongly. Obviously if you get 4 bet preflop you can fold.

[Xanta]

Almost never 3bet, call KQs most of the time, call KJs some of the time. Those hands play pretty nicely postflop IP and I like the pretty colours on the cards.

[CptnObvius]

Hmm, two responses. one for 3betting, one for calling. 3betting to me seems more the way to go. problem I have with it is when I get called i'm quite often beaten and get CRed on flop when I miss. Perhaps I just need bigger sample size.

[primate]

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Hmm, two responses. one for 3betting, one for calling. 3betting to me seems more the way to go. problem I have with it is when I get called i'm quite often beaten and get CRed on flop when I miss. Perhaps I just need bigger sample size.

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Mix it up. I think it is prolly villain dependant and hero image dependant.

[CptnObvius]

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Almost never 3bet, call KQs most of the time, call KJs some of the time.

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What is line on dry K hi flop then assuming TAG/Reg villain standard Cbets it? float or raise/fold?

[pineapple888]

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Just wondering how people played KJ/KQ suited in 6max from btn/CO into an UTG/MP, TAG/Reg raiser?

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Dude, are you IP or OOP? Cause I'm looking at your subject line and all...

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I know it's difficult to give advice without specific situation/stats/read


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Exactly.

[CptnObvius]

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Just wondering how people played KJ/KQ suited in 6max from btn/CO into an UTG/MP, TAG/Reg raiser?

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Dude, are you IP or OOP? Cause I'm looking at your subject line and all...

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I know it's difficult to give advice without specific situation/stats/read


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Exactly.

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Sorry bout that. In pos. Stuffed the subject. As a guy who's on here heaps, do you kno if I can change the subject?

Anyway, would def appreciate your opinion here as I def value it. Basically just asking what your default line is here. Against a TAG/Reg who plays straight forward. Are you folding, calling or raising preflop in pos?

[pineapple888]

1.) Try editing your original post, although it might be too late.

2.) There really is no default line. These hands have clear value, but are easily dominated. So a bunch of it depends on how I feel about taking on a particular player postflop. One thing I will say is that suitedness really helps as a practical matter vs. unsuited, because postflop becomes real clear and +EV when 2 or 3 of your suit comes down, so I do tend to like to play these hands. So I guess my "default" is call, keep the pot small for now, play in position, and pwn. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[CptnObvius]

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1.) Try editing your original post, although it might be too late.

2.) There really is no default line. These hands have clear value, but are easily dominated. So a bunch of it depends on how I feel about taking on a particular player postflop. One thing I will say is that suitedness really helps as a practical matter vs. unsuited, because postflop becomes real clear and +EV when 2 or 3 of your suit comes down, so I do tend to like to play these hands. So I guess my "default" is call, keep the pot small for now, play in position, and pwn. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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thanks for all that. still not sure about the line but will experiment a bit and see how it goes. couldn't edit the subject line but will be more careful in future...