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07-24-2007, 05:01 AM
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Raised on turn with TPGK
B2B limit 1/2
Preflop: Hero is CO with A  , J . UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BU calls, SB calls, BB calls. Flop: 5  , A, 2(4 players)SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">hero bets</font>, BU calls, SB calls, BB folds. Turn: 6 <font color="#CC3333">hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BU raises</font>, BB folds, Hero calls River: Q (2 players)Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BU bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 9.75 BB My eternal problem : the famous turn raise... Here are my thoughts, given that the board is not well-connected. => If the vilain was the BB, I would see him on 2 pairs, A6 or A5. I would be quite strange to raise the preflop raiser on a A-high board => in the current situation, now that I take time to think about the hand, I think the key to the hand is the preflop coldcall he made. What hands would he coldcall like that ? - small to medium pocket pairs ? yep - medium suited connectors ? yep (65... is quite low though) - Ax ? hmm don't buy it. Maybe AT, AQ... - KQs ? maybe. The only hand I'm ahead of, on the turn is KQs (if he's capable of semi bluffing the turn : whiwh I don't know). I have 1:8,5 to call the raise on the turn. I have 3 outs if I'm behind. Fold turn then, right ? 
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#5
07-25-2007, 04:17 AM
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Re: Raised on turn with TPGK
the problem before this hand is needing a read on villain, whether they be stats or particular plays you have seen him make. it will take many hands (to figure out what his range of hands he raises on the turn with is) to be able to fold, but since the player base on most sites is so high this is rarely possible.
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#6
07-25-2007, 05:14 AM
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Re: Raised on turn with TPGK
Stats are classic : 28/15/1.5
I agree many will overplay their Ax, but they should be aware they are weak : why waiting the turn to raise ? Among all hands that raised me on the turn and that I could see at SD, 95% were very strong hands or naked bluffs (at these limits). I see very few semi-bluff or marginal made hands. What do you think ?
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#7
07-25-2007, 05:19 AM
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Re: Raised on turn with TPGK
You should post the stats in the OP, also how many hands.
I would still calldown, this guy 3 bets better aces PF, so you're probably looking at A6s/A5s and 66/55 beating you which isn't many combos, add in the possibility of a retarded flop peel that's now semibluffing, and the times he's raising a worse ace, and it's an easy calldown. Edit: It's 3 way on the turn so I'd heavily discount the semibluff, he'd have to make a retarded flop peel then make a semibluff raise 3 way when it looks like people like their hands. I still think he has a worse ace often enough to calldown, though.
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#8
07-25-2007, 05:22 AM
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Re: Raised on turn with TPGK
if they are aware that their Ax are weak, why would they be playing them in the first place? given the stats, villain looks a bit too loose PF. i would call and expect to be losing more than 80% (your effective odds to calldown) but it's nothing to really "fix" until you get a very good feel for how opponent plays, which basically means being able to narrow his range down when he shows aggression in other hands.
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#9
07-25-2007, 05:32 AM
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Re: Raised on turn with TPGK
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if they are aware that their Ax are weak, why would they be playing them in the first place? [/ QUOTE ] Maybe because we opened in the CO, but they're still too timid to 3 bet their AT/A9? Then they hate playing timid postflop and have to put a raise in, even if it doesn't accomplish anything. I used to have this mentality postflop when I sucked.
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