33 in CO 14xBB

[betgo]

I got this hand from a video. $1K MTT. Blinds 75/150. You have 2050 in CO and it is folded to you with 33. Players to act have you covered. What is your play?

[Zugwat]

fold

with no antes raise / calling is terrible, and raise folding is terrible with ur stack size

[djk123]

my instinct is to shove

[Zugwat]

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my instinct is to shove

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im one of the spewiest of the spewtards out there, and i think shoving is terrible

theres 225 chips in the pot....

[djk123]

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my instinct is to shove

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im one of the spewiest of the spewtards out there, and i think shoving is terrible

theres 225 chips in the pot....

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ya.. but why we got a pair [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

it cud easily be answered with sngpt. i bet it's close.

[KingDan]

shoving is never bad here (against 44+ its breakeven IIRC), and against some people its v +ev.

[Todd Terry]

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my instinct is to shove

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im one of the spewiest of the spewtards out there, and i think shoving is terrible

theres 225 chips in the pot....

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ya.. but why we got a pair [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

it cud easily be answered with sngpt. i bet it's close.

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Shoving faceup is not unexploitable, but it's very close, I think the worst case is cEV = -4 chips. It's +cEV against any reasonable calling range, but not very significantly so.

Edit: I take it back, shoving faceup is going to be unexploitably +cEV. There does exist a calling range that makes shoving -cEV, {44+}, but that will not be the calling range, at least in the BB, if we shove faceup.

[Zugwat]

ok ok i take back what i said about shoving is terrible, maybe i need to learn how to use sng powertools or whatever it is where u can figure all this stuff out, it just seemed like you had too many chips for it to be a smart shove

i'm relatively new to tournamnets and am new to 2+2 so i value such superstars like DJK and KingDan's opinion over mine for what its worth

[oldschool043]

zugwat got zugwatted imo

i shove fwiw

[betgo]

This is from a Bax video. He folds it.

I am pretty sure pushing is significantly cEV+. It is standard to push a pp in mid position for 10xBB. Sklansky gives it is cEV+ to push 33 from the SB face up for 28xBB.

In fact though, you are not pushing face up. 44-66 usually fold and AK/AQ almost always call.

You are 37% against a calling range of 77+, ATs+, AJo+, KQs. This is 8% of the hand, so you get called maybe 22% of the time.

You pick up 225 when you steal and lose about 450 when you are called. .78 * 225 - .22 * 450 = +76 chips or 1/2 of a big blind. I can't see how you could work it so it wouldn't be cEV+.

I think pushing is a little better than raise/calling here, but I think that is really the only question, whether to raise/call or push.