NL50: QQ OOP vs 4 bet ai on flop. Was my 3bet bad here?

[AlexB182]

Villain was 29/9/1.4 after only 35 hands.
I'm running 14/10, Flop AF 8, Turn AF oo, River AF oo. I don't know though if he is good enough to pay attention and recognize that. If yes he might def be playing back at me, right? On the other hand: is call, minraise, push ever something else than a set here?
Comments appreciated!

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $6.90
BB: $73.45
Hero (UTG): $56.35
UTG+1: $67.60
MP: $62.45
CO: $18.40
BTN: $30.95

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, UTG+1 calls $2, 5 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to $7</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $18</font>, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to $65.60 and is All-In</font>, Hero ?

[BlueBear]

Flop 3-bet (to $18) is spewy IMO. You're opening yourself to the possibility of a 4-bet. Keep the pot under control, call the flop bet and re-evaluate.

A 29/9/1.4 villain is the unimaginative straightforward type, he's not going to have a draw here often enough and is not playing back at you often enough. The 4-bet screams so much massive strength, you can even fold 6-4 here.

[r2me]

Villan isn't very aggressive &amp; the sample size isn't very high here. But this is a strong move on this flop &amp; is a classic WA (lower overpair to board) or WB (AA/KK/set). Another possibility is a FD + 2 overs that is played very strongly because villan is playing back at you. If villan is conscious of your aggressive play, then your range is much wider to villan (&amp; may include pairs down to 88/99), which we crush.

Villan's min raise on the flop may have been a test, but the reraise all in???? On balance, I'd fold it. We still only have a 1 pair hand, you are drawing very thin if you need to improve, &amp; villan wants to play for stacks.

[Brimstead]

don't like your 3bet, its kind of a weak raise, susceptible to a 4bet

i would just call the min raise on flop, keep this pot small oop with only an overpair.

[MadMike]

If we call the flop minraise, how are we responding to a 2/3 to 3/4 pot turn bet, even if the turn bricks? Do we c/rai a blank turn to stack lower overpairs, or just call... or do we check fold turn, check/call normal river bet?

After the minraise, a 29/9 villians range here is probably something like AK [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], AQ [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],JJ,TT,66,44,22. AA and KK he repops preflop most likely, and if hes goofy enough to have AA/KK in his range then he's goofy enough to have lower spade connectors than AK/AQ in his range. I'm even giving him benefit of doubt by taking 99-77 out of his range.

I think you have enough equity here to 3-bet the minraise. I think 3-betting is better than calling because if you're ahead to a lower overpair there are a lot of cards that kill your action on the turn.

After a 3-bet and the AI, I think you still have equity (barely) to call the push since this narrows his range- don't think he's doing this with JJ.

Someone want to pokerstove QQ vs. AK[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], AQ[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], KQ[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 66,44,22 to see if Hero has &gt;32% equity here?

[AlexB182]

5,863,380 games 4.421 secs 1,326,256 games/sec

Board: 6s 4s 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 19.787% 19.07% 00.71% 1118433 41736.50 { QdQh }
Hand 1: 80.213% 79.50% 00.71% 4661474 41736.50 { 66, 44, 22, AsKs, AsQs, KsQs }


But with JJ:
10,791,533 games 9.500 secs 1,135,950 games/sec

Board: 6s 4s 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.727% 41.99% 00.74% 4531284 79584.00 { QdQh }
Hand 1: 57.273% 56.54% 00.74% 6101081 79584.00 { JJ, 66, 44, 22, AsKs, AsQs, KsQs }

[AllTheCheese]

That range is way too nitty.

[Johnes Benjamin]

I don't like the 3bet, it is putting too much money in the middle and draws are going to play for FE almost always.

Even so, I really don't like calling this push