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25/50: Standard with bad aces?
Should I always be looking to get it in preflop even with these horrible aces?
Poker Stars Pot Limit Omaha Ring game Blinds: $25/$50 8 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $6756 UTG+1: $6960 Hero: $7246 MP2: $5747 CO: $1672 Button: $4250 SB: $6713 BB: $17564 Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $225</font>, Hero calls, 5 folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $975</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3975 |
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Re: 25/50: Standard with bad aces?
Sorry, just read FAQ, this can be deleted if MODs feel this has been covered before.
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Re: 25/50: Standard with bad aces?
standard, ya.
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Re: 25/50: Standard with bad aces?
Depending on how the game is playing it's standard. I would not be annoyed if both Villains folded though.
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Re: 25/50: Standard with bad aces?
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Depending on how the game is playing it's standard. I would not be annoyed if both Villains folded though. [/ QUOTE ] I would be happier if both villains folded, no way you have a 1200 edge on average if the money goes in. But yeah standard for me, some people will argue for a fold. |
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Re: 25/50: Standard with bad aces?
This may be results orieneted thinking, but I think this is closer to a fold. I was pretty sure that UTG had aces, althought I wasn't sure of the strength of those aces. I figured UTG+1 had some type of drawing hand since he didn't reraise when he had the chance.
pokenum -mc 500000 -o ad 2s ah 5c - as ac 5s jc - 8d js th qs Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV 2s 5c Ad Ah 54084 10.82 276376 55.28 169540 33.91 0.278 As 5s Ac Jc 79329 15.87 251131 50.23 169540 33.91 0.328 Qs Js 8d Th 197047 39.41 302953 60.59 0 0.00 0.394 Again this may be results oriented thinking but I never think I have better than 1/3 equity in the pot. I think the only place I gain value by a move like this is when I get it HU against the other aces wtih 1K in dead money in the pot. |
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Re: 25/50: Standard with bad aces?
This is why it kind of depends on the game, if there's any chance UTG will pull this stunt with a small wrap, or even better, KK, you have excellent equity. I can't imagine the 5k is full of nits, and you have two of the aces, so UTG may not have aces as often as you think.
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Re: 25/50: Standard with bad aces?
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Again this may be results oriented thinking but I never think I have better than 1/3 equity in the pot. I think the only place I gain value by a move like this is when I get it HU against the other aces wtih 1K in dead money in the pot. [/ QUOTE ] aba, You need to break that simulation down into 2 headsup ones with each of those other two hands as well: http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1837038 pokenum -mc 500000 -o 2s 5c ad ah - qs js 8d th Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV 2s 5c Ad Ah 268737 53.75 231263 46.25 0 0.00 0.537 Qs Js 8d Th 231263 46.25 268737 53.75 0 0.00 0.463 http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1837042 pokenum -mc 500000 -o 2s 5c ad ah - as 5s ac jc Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV 2s 5c Ad Ah 48001 9.60 115299 23.06 336700 67.34 0.433 As 5s Ac Jc 115299 23.06 48001 9.60 336700 67.34 0.567 Those show that your hand isn't much of a favorite over that straight hand and that he is the one gaining from any dead money in making his money odds better, and that your hand is a dog to a better AA hand. There is no way I go to the felt with your hand against a similar size stack. I know others may think it terribly tight, but as I have said here before, I fold junky AA hands like that in aggressive games and will never reraise with them unless I am sure it will be headsup against a short stack. So I would have folded to the 2nd raise instead of reraising as you did. |
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Re: 25/50: Standard with bad aces?
Bluff,
when you do get heads up, how often do you think you will be against a hand of the first type, and how often against a hand of the second type (of which your example is one of the stronger possibilities)? How much equity do you have in the pot in that case on average, and how much do you forfeit by folding when there is already 1000+ in the pot? Because your numbers make me, if anything, more inclined to push. |
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Re: 25/50: Standard with bad aces?
Standard, you can't pass anyway..
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